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22-04-13 04:38:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Araska (Astaria in I3)@Iberia: you can live for a while without legs. or a liver. only a brief time without a heart.
22-04-13 04:38:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: Sinistrad: blame Kalinash, he turned "pewp" into a damn meme and it got stuck in my head lol
22-04-13 04:38:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Mitsuko@NeonMOO: This guy is already dead, he drowned in a pond
22-04-13 04:38:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: there's a fancier one you shoulda got
22-04-13 04:40:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novavax
22-04-13 04:40:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: they apparently can't actually get any product to market, tho
22-04-13 04:49:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: aoisdmvfaqewmiavaprfgaoerguapobjiasibg77asdfkioasdfoi3.14159aijoijroijgrgij2.71828asdjfoiajsf
22-04-13 04:49:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I'm getting the moderna booster tomorrow
22-04-13 04:49:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's the one I can get because I am OVER 50
22-04-13 04:50:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: my wife's like "I signed you up"
22-04-13 04:50:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and I'm like "d'ya sign me up for the senior discount at IHOP too?"
22-04-13 04:50:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Mitsuko@NeonMOO: Congrats on not dying before 50
22-04-13 04:50:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it wasn't easy lemme tell ya
22-04-13 04:51:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i thought you were younger than that
22-04-13 04:51:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: good on you, oldie
22-04-13 04:51:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: moi?
22-04-13 04:51:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: join aarp
22-04-13 04:51:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: non, fevrier est mon anniversaire
22-04-13 04:52:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: that was the big hawaii five oh
22-04-13 04:52:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so I'm fresh into this whole 50 thang
22-04-13 04:52:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: happy birthday
22-04-13 04:52:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: somehow I think you didn't miss it
22-04-13 04:52:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but thanks
22-04-13 04:52:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Z said happy birthday to me back then and then he forgot he did and he's asking me if my birthday is coming up
22-04-13 04:52:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: its hard getting old
22-04-13 04:53:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: actually isn't it the opposite
22-04-13 04:53:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: (btw Z's birthday is Thursday)
22-04-13 04:53:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: [SPOILER]
22-04-13 04:53:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i guess it is even harder getting young
22-04-13 04:54:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: growing up not knowing a lot of English, my wife sometimes surprises me with things she learned late in life
22-04-13 04:54:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: just now she's like, "hey you know that Why song, from Annie Lennox?"
22-04-13 04:54:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "yeah"
22-04-13 04:54:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "I just realized they're singing "whyyyyyy" in it"
22-04-13 04:54:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "uhhh
22-04-13 04:54:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i dont think i know that one
22-04-13 04:55:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: of course you do
22-04-13 04:55:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: whyyYyYyyyyyyyYYYYyYyY hyyyYyY hyyyYyy
22-04-13 04:55:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: checking
22-04-13 04:55:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I mean if you don't then you have no right taking Gilbert Gottfried's life
22-04-13 04:55:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh this fucking thing
22-04-13 04:55:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah see
22-04-13 04:55:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: my gf at the time loved this album
22-04-13 04:56:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: sorry to dredge up old mammaries
22-04-13 04:56:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i am pretty annoyed by post eurhythmics annie lennox
22-04-13 04:56:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I like this song
22-04-13 04:56:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: also "no mas te amo"
22-04-13 04:57:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: back in my college days I used to do social service hours working at the university library working on digital signage
22-04-13 04:57:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: even late eruythmircs was a little annoying  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Q3cp3cp88
22-04-13 04:57:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: a buddy and I would make interesting videos promoting school events, etc
22-04-13 04:58:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: one time he put this song on top of a scene from Brasil
22-04-13 04:58:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so I will forever, forever associate the "whyyy" part with a guy with Icarus wings flying in the sky
22-04-13 04:58:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and therefore rememebr my buddy Alejandro
22-04-13 04:58:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: good ole alejandro
22-04-13 04:58:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: hope he's doing well
22-04-13 04:58:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so that's why I like this song
22-04-13 04:58:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I think so, but I don't buttbutt anymore so I lost awareness
22-04-13 04:59:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i havent listened to any dave steward post-uryhtmics stuff, but i suspect i would find that annoying as well
22-04-13 04:59:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's kind of like john lennon and paul mccarntney doing solo stuff after the beatles
22-04-13 04:59:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's always the voices that stick with you
22-04-13 04:59:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but I don't think I could tell Dave Stewart's voice from Jon Stewart's
22-04-13 04:59:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: they were good musicians but they needed each other to make genius stuff
22-04-13 05:00:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: well Lennon did well with that Imagine song tho
22-04-13 05:00:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I'm not saying it's genius
22-04-13 05:00:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but he did well
22-04-13 05:00:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: sentimental slime
22-04-13 05:00:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: schlime
22-04-13 05:01:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: McCartney didn't do too bad but I forget what his biggest post-Virus hit was
22-04-13 05:01:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: maybe that thing with MJ
22-04-13 05:01:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he had a band called wings
22-04-13 05:01:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: they did stuff you would recognize
22-04-13 05:01:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah but nowhere near as good
22-04-13 05:01:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I'm trying to think of his solo stuff but somehow my brain is going to Paul Simon
22-04-13 05:02:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: thats another one
22-04-13 05:02:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i dont mind paul simons solo stuff
22-04-13 05:02:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but being in a shitty partnership brought out genius
22-04-13 05:02:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: is The Only Living Boy in New York from his solo days
22-04-13 05:02:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: cause I like that one
22-04-13 05:02:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5biEjyXNa2o
22-04-13 05:02:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ooh no that's from his Garfield days
22-04-13 05:02:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: k that makes cents
22-04-13 05:02:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: see
22-04-13 05:03:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: art through adversity
22-04-13 05:03:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: heh art
22-04-13 05:03:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: thats why star wars is so good
22-04-13 05:03:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: george lucas wasnt able to make the stupid shitty thing he wanted to
22-04-13 05:03:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh yeah I was watching a New Hope yesterday
22-04-13 05:03:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: my wife had it on
22-04-13 05:03:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I was surprised
22-04-13 05:03:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and as I walk up it's the Two Suns moment
22-04-13 05:03:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and I go
22-04-13 05:04:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "that's welld one"
22-04-13 05:04:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah
22-04-13 05:04:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's solid
22-04-13 05:04:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: what the fuck happened to him, man
22-04-13 05:04:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I met an interesting feller, a new hire at the company, smart guy
22-04-13 05:04:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: total geek, my kinda guy
22-04-13 05:04:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: because he didnt have the budget for the crazy shit he'd written, so he had to simplufy, and the actual production was a nightmare, so he had to make do
22-04-13 05:04:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: we're at dinner talking about random stuff
22-04-13 05:04:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he loves the Prequels
22-04-13 05:04:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and he fucking LOVES intershitter
22-04-13 05:04:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: huh
22-04-13 05:04:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I almost left
22-04-13 05:04:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: smart guy?
22-04-13 05:05:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: de gustibus
22-04-13 05:05:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: well some things are a red flag
22-04-13 05:05:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he might be a psychopath
22-04-13 05:05:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: totally misunderstanding bad art isn't a good sign
22-04-13 05:05:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah we started talking about a Neil DeGlass Tyson tweet about time travel popping you into outer space
22-04-13 05:06:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and I was all "but both time AND space are relative, why would you pop up in space? Why would time travel be positionally absolute?"
22-04-13 05:06:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "but even relative positions would pop you in space"
22-04-13 05:06:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "nope"
22-04-13 05:06:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "yup"
22-04-13 05:06:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and that's the kind of convo I love
22-04-13 05:06:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: one of the scariest parts of American Psycho (the book)  was when the narrator talks about his love for the band Genesis, and specifically the genius of phil collens
22-04-13 05:07:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: uh huh
22-04-13 05:07:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he's a good drummer
22-04-13 05:07:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: or was until he retired last week
22-04-13 05:07:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: wait, how does sinin know when my born day is?
22-04-13 05:07:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's just this dumb, bland pop band with good musicians in it, but he's transpoted by the music and the book literally devotes chapters to his opinion on the topic
22-04-13 05:07:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: you musta mentioned it once in a lifetime ago
22-04-13 05:08:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: also, I totes thought I wished you a thing but yah, I'm old and forgot
22-04-13 05:08:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I mean the book is written by a non-psycho guy
22-04-13 05:08:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and it's terrifying because he sounds like any normal smart sounding guy with a goofy but endearing obsession
22-04-13 05:08:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: phil collins is totes a genius, tho
22-04-13 05:08:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but he's a total monster
22-04-13 05:08:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so it's a non-psycho guy pretending to know what a psycho guy likes
22-04-13 05:08:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he may be very good at it but it's certainly not a manual on psycho
22-04-13 05:08:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I mean... not like prince-level genius
22-04-13 05:08:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: prince is fantastic
22-04-13 05:08:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i recommend the book, btw. it is so fucked up it's a whole trip
22-04-13 05:08:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I've heard that
22-04-13 05:08:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the movie could never live up to the book
22-04-13 05:09:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but it's got batman
22-04-13 05:09:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's honetly not even close
22-04-13 05:09:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: prince is widely recognized as the best musician to have ever lived
22-04-13 05:09:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: well that's an endorsement for the book not a dig on the movie
22-04-13 05:09:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: prince is absolutely fantastic
22-04-13 05:09:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he made geniuses cry with his genius
22-04-13 05:09:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: as far as i can tell prince was very talented, but i didnt like very much of his music
22-04-13 05:09:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: not just very talented
22-04-13 05:10:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I remember watching this one video where it's like an amalgam of talented folk playing music at some sort of benefit concert
22-04-13 05:10:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: literally considered the best musician to have ever lived
22-04-13 05:10:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and for half the video it's like "that's really good"
22-04-13 05:10:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: then Prince prances up
22-04-13 05:10:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and it's like
22-04-13 05:10:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: fucking nuclear
22-04-13 05:10:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: everyone else just stops
22-04-13 05:10:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: or they did, to me
22-04-13 05:11:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: is that the one where a guitar comes down form the ceiling
22-04-13 05:11:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: anyways, he's not my favorite artist
22-04-13 05:11:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: or he throws up a guitar and it never ocmes down
22-04-13 05:11:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: hmm, not sure
22-04-13 05:11:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: dude was a good musician and showman. pity about the opiods
22-04-13 05:12:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I had a buddy in college
22-04-13 05:12:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: short, looked like Prince
22-04-13 05:12:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: super annoying
22-04-13 05:12:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: his mud name was Oryx
22-04-13 05:12:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: super annoying
22-04-13 05:12:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: wonder what he's doing now
22-04-13 05:12:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: opioids
22-04-13 05:12:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ok a for real I-should-know-this question
22-04-13 05:13:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the fuck is the difference between a college and a university
22-04-13 05:13:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh i know this
22-04-13 05:13:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I don't
22-04-13 05:13:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: a university can be composed of colleges
22-04-13 05:13:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: like a strawberry is really a lot of berries
22-04-13 05:13:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: attending a university is more prestigious than attending a college
22-04-13 05:13:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: how do you know which one you went to
22-04-13 05:13:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i went to a u
22-04-13 05:13:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he did the throwing the guitar thing all the time
22-04-13 05:13:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: because Instituto Technologico y de Estudios Superiores de Monterrey has neither of those words there
22-04-13 05:14:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh i see
22-04-13 05:14:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Mitsuko@NeonMOO: What about attending Bible Community Correspondence School?
22-04-13 05:14:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: well the important part really is the accreditation
22-04-13 05:14:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Ingeniero en Sistemas Computacionales
22-04-13 05:14:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but ask any guitar player who the best guitar player is or was
22-04-13 05:14:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: sounds fansy as fuk
22-04-13 05:14:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: they will all tell you it's prince
22-04-13 05:14:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I bet they'll say "Zaphod"
22-04-13 05:14:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: wait wait
22-04-13 05:14:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: sup
22-04-13 05:14:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: what happened to jimi
22-04-13 05:14:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: opioids
22-04-13 05:15:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and while i dont LIKE him, clapton is legend
22-04-13 05:15:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: jimi will also tell you prince
22-04-13 05:15:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: clapton is on record as having said it's prince
22-04-13 05:15:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I dunno how to feel about clapton :(
22-04-13 05:15:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: tell me how to feel about clapton
22-04-13 05:15:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i dont like him
22-04-13 05:15:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: on the one hand, he's an ass
22-04-13 05:15:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: on the other hand, he lost his kid and made a song and yeah it made me cry
22-04-13 05:15:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i think the thing that sealed the deal for me
22-04-13 05:15:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Mitsuko@NeonMOO: How does Buckethead feel about Clapton?
22-04-13 05:15:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: is him making money on a song abou this dead son
22-04-13 05:16:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: now heres the thing, you can grieve in what way suits you
22-04-13 05:16:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: He donates all the money to charity
22-04-13 05:16:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: wait, is there a rule on writing a song inspired by griedf
22-04-13 05:16:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: is the rule "don't make money out of it"
22-04-13 05:16:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: what about all them country songs
22-04-13 05:16:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: where the dog dies and the truck breaks down
22-04-13 05:16:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but every time i heard that song it was like hearing stuff from someones personal life that i did not want to knpw
22-04-13 05:17:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: like what a fucking bringdown
22-04-13 05:17:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it snot just a song about him being sad
22-04-13 05:17:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: its specifically about his dead son whom he saw die
22-04-13 05:17:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: (i think)
22-04-13 05:19:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: maybe i dont want that popping up on the radio right after the annie lennox smash hit walking on broken glass
22-04-13 05:20:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: annie sprinkle track?
22-04-13 05:20:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i had a chance to see her perform
22-04-13 05:20:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: missed it. i dont think she still does her show
22-04-13 05:20:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: sprinkle, i mean, not lennox
22-04-13 05:21:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: you seen one cervix... am I right?
22-04-13 05:23:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: speaking of cervii, I've been doing research on internet providers in the east coast
22-04-13 05:23:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: an I'm thinkin Xfinity might work
22-04-13 05:23:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: tho it's a new neighborhood so I have no eye deer
22-04-13 05:23:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: anybody strongly opposed to Xfinity
22-04-13 05:23:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I'm gonna clal em and tell them "well I don't live there NOW, but I'm moving there. Can we just schedule an internet connection to happen when I get the god damn house keys?"
22-04-13 05:23:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: sad ima miss you next week sini
22-04-13 05:24:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah Hawaii beckons my brither
22-04-13 05:24:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah hawaii is awesome
22-04-13 05:24:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: vera nice
22-04-13 05:24:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i'm just htere for a few days.  tues to sat morning
22-04-13 05:24:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but we'll meet again some sunny day
22-04-13 05:25:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i feel like i wouldnt appreciate hawaii
22-04-13 05:25:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: tell me more
22-04-13 05:26:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: well i grew up a short drive from beautiful beaches in a tropical environment
22-04-13 05:26:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i feel like i'd be like "yeah this is familiar"
22-04-13 05:26:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but you love your frigid hellscapes
22-04-13 05:26:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: fios, yes
22-04-13 05:26:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: get the fios
22-04-13 05:27:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: that's Veruca right
22-04-13 05:27:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: do I has to be a Veruca phone customer
22-04-13 05:27:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the native history is different than Puelto Lico
22-04-13 05:27:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's super interesting
22-04-13 05:27:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: King Kamehameha III
22-04-13 05:27:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: etc
22-04-13 05:28:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ok i can see that
22-04-13 05:29:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I was going to Hawaii a few years back and a good friend tells me, "you HAVE to get GypsyGuide" and I'm like "oh is that like.. a GPS tour guide thing?" "yeah" "yeah I'm ok" "pls get it" "... well, ok"
22-04-13 05:29:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I fucking LOVE GypsyGuide
22-04-13 05:29:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the guy they hired to do their tours is magnificent
22-04-13 05:29:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I think they prefer the name "Romani"
22-04-13 05:29:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: huh thats a good idea
22-04-13 05:29:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and I learned all about how King Kamehameha III united the tribes
22-04-13 05:29:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: insensitive name
22-04-13 05:29:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: The guy has such a charming way and an awesome voice
22-04-13 05:30:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I looked him up
22-04-13 05:30:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: turns out he's a bearded Canadian named Dave Pettit
22-04-13 05:30:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: doesn't look like I expected him to look
22-04-13 05:30:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but he is my tour brother now
22-04-13 05:31:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: not having heard anything, i picture a hiker rugged bob ross
22-04-13 05:31:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: actually you're pretty damn close
22-04-13 05:31:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but I did give you "bearded canadian"
22-04-13 05:31:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: which is not the impression you get if you listen to him first
22-04-13 05:32:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh looks like he has a twitter
22-04-13 05:32:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: https://mobile.twitter.com/voiceoverdave
22-04-13 05:32:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: click on the first video there, that's all him
22-04-13 05:33:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: interesting voice
22-04-13 05:33:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: very legit
22-04-13 05:33:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: quite - he modulates his voice so differently
22-04-13 05:33:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: in each snippet
22-04-13 05:33:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: like, he could sell you tractors
22-04-13 05:33:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: remember when rudy guiliani would do voice recordings for $5 or whatever
22-04-13 05:33:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: is google fiber up in that neighborhood yet?
22-04-13 05:33:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: none of them sound like the way he talks in the gypsyguide thing
22-04-13 05:34:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i'll buy a tractor form this man
22-04-13 05:34:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: a used tractor?
22-04-13 05:34:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I would too
22-04-13 05:35:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the used tractor market is on fire right now
22-04-13 05:35:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: right-to-repair is a huge political thing
22-04-13 05:35:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: kind of hard to repair things which are not open sores
22-04-13 05:35:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: all the new tracktors have software license agreements that say you can't fix 'em when they break
22-04-13 05:35:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: custom roms man
22-04-13 05:35:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: in other news, people seem to like my linkedin pic
22-04-13 05:36:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and that's it, that's the other news
22-04-13 05:36:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ok how many people here on this channel can reprogram a tractor without the vendors permission?
22-04-13 05:36:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: sini is a sexy person is not news
22-04-13 05:36:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: eh I manage through no fault of my own
22-04-13 05:36:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: well last time i looke dinto it
22-04-13 05:37:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: theres a whole custom mod tractor community
22-04-13 05:37:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh cool.
22-04-13 05:37:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: that's useful.
22-04-13 05:37:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: like the same way theres a custom rom community for android phones
22-04-13 05:37:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I'm callin my lawyer
22-04-13 05:37:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah, but the act of developing the rom initially is not something the lay person can do.
22-04-13 05:37:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I might not be able to reprogram a tractor without the vendors permission, but I can retract a program without the vermin's ignition
22-04-13 05:37:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: esp if the shit is encrypted and you have to break shit and get the bootloader etc
22-04-13 05:38:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: of course Angel did some shit like that so maybe it's not that hard :)
22-04-13 05:38:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: which Angel, Reflection?
22-04-13 05:38:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: well its risky as fuck voiding the warranty on your $100,000 combine
22-04-13 05:38:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: right.  but if you are under warranty why fuck with it
22-04-13 05:38:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: these people literally grow the food you eat, I think they can figure out a simple thing like traktors
22-04-13 05:38:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the first time I heard the noun combine was in Half Life
22-04-13 05:38:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the problem is the shitware which overcomplicates the rest of the simple machine
22-04-13 05:38:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and sorry, I can't not think of the Half Life baddies
22-04-13 05:39:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it would probably take me a whole month to track down all the shit and build/write a replacement computer/program for a tractor
22-04-13 05:39:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: btw you guyse should really play that Alyx VR game
22-04-13 05:39:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so good
22-04-13 05:39:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and it would be shit to start
22-04-13 05:39:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: you'd love it
22-04-13 05:39:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: which vr headset should i get
22-04-13 05:39:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Moculus Quest 2
22-04-13 05:39:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: is it wired or wireless
22-04-13 05:39:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: both
22-04-13 05:39:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: my name is moc, quest a lot
22-04-13 05:40:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: if you get it we can play D&D in VR
22-04-13 05:40:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: well it's kinda D&D
22-04-13 05:40:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: is there any other games besides half life 3
22-04-13 05:40:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: you're in a dungeon and there's baddies and there's your buddies and it's turn based and you have THACO
22-04-13 05:40:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: like tabletop sim?
22-04-13 05:40:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i like roll20
22-04-13 05:40:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: wow thaco
22-04-13 05:40:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: well let me clarify about ALyx
22-04-13 05:40:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i never played a game with thaco
22-04-13 05:40:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: sinin's too busy to actually play with us, tho
22-04-13 05:40:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: THAC0 even
22-04-13 05:41:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ok le tme clarify about VR
22-04-13 05:41:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i have two games a week right now, an IRL one and one i DM for my brother and some online friends on roll20.
22-04-13 05:41:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: there's the "I has a great computer for video games and now I'm adding VR to it" approach
22-04-13 05:41:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: my wife hates the second one but it's almost over
22-04-13 05:41:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: shit goes faster online
22-04-13 05:41:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and the "all I can afford is a VR headset so it'd better work standalone"
22-04-13 05:41:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Alyux requires the first one
22-04-13 05:41:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the Quest can work with #1 or #2
22-04-13 05:41:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: wired or wireless
22-04-13 05:42:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so if you want Alyx
22-04-13 05:42:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah i have a half decent box
22-04-13 05:42:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: is there a vr annie sprinkle show?
22-04-13 05:42:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: well you better get a computer that can run it
22-04-13 05:42:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yes tehre is
22-04-13 05:42:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: she's like NO MAS TE AMO
22-04-13 05:43:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i think i want to wear one of these before i buy it. not convinced my glasses will work well
22-04-13 05:43:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: noggle
22-04-13 05:43:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I think that's important
22-04-13 05:43:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: there's lotsa people with glasses that use these but I think maybe they need to swap out the part that touches your face to gain depth
22-04-13 05:44:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the thing also is i cant have it super customized just for me and my gimpy glasses
22-04-13 05:44:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: cuz my kids will wan to use it
22-04-13 05:44:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the Moculus Quest 2 does have impressive tech, despite it being Facebutt
22-04-13 05:44:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: spekin of glasses
22-04-13 05:44:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: wat brand should I get?
22-04-13 05:44:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah I bet they can swap out the attachy thingie, it's pretty easy
22-04-13 05:44:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I need knew ones
22-04-13 05:44:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I know not about glasses
22-04-13 05:45:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: give it a month, you are old
22-04-13 05:45:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I do own a few but I just walked up to a wall with frames and picked one or two
22-04-13 05:45:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: new glasses? i am lazy and i go to the mall but this is because my insurance has a vision plan and i dont care how much they have to pay
22-04-13 05:45:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh I use glasses for night driving
22-04-13 05:45:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I have like 1.25 prescription
22-04-13 05:45:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: in the year 2000 I got Lasik
22-04-13 05:45:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I am up to like 7.50
22-04-13 05:45:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I was at 7.50 before
22-04-13 05:45:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah I've lived that life, man
22-04-13 05:45:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i dont know what that stuff is
22-04-13 05:45:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: plus a reading component and strong astigatism
22-04-13 05:45:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but suppsoedly you can go online and buy glasses cheaper than the mall store
22-04-13 05:46:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh
22-04-13 05:46:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I think you need a prescription from a real doc
22-04-13 05:46:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: maybe I should lasiks
22-04-13 05:46:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and then that prescription lasts 2 years or something
22-04-13 05:46:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and then you can go frame crazy
22-04-13 05:46:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: my insurance at the Googs used to let me get 2 frames a eyar
22-04-13 05:46:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I think my new one is only 1 frame
22-04-13 05:46:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but I've yet to lose a pair so
22-04-13 05:47:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so, ray bans, then
22-04-13 05:47:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: got it
22-04-13 05:48:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: there's a guy I work with from Puelto Lico
22-04-13 05:48:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: good guy
22-04-13 05:48:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: that's it, that's the story
22-04-13 05:48:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: btw when I did Lasik it was in a 3rd world country
22-04-13 05:48:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ive been away so long i dont do the l thing any more
22-04-13 05:48:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and I came out really well
22-04-13 05:48:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: meaning mexico
22-04-13 05:48:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: meaning mexico
22-04-13 05:49:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i would not get a lasik
22-04-13 05:49:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh speaking of accents, it's really bad for me
22-04-13 05:49:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I've told you guys before, I'm sure, how I can't help speak in an accent if I'm talking to someone with a thick accent
22-04-13 05:49:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i think they would have to shave off so much cornea off me that my eyeball goop would leak out
22-04-13 05:50:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so jesus christ I can't help but do boston or puelto lican or dominican or french or irish
22-04-13 05:50:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: if I try to consciously combat it I become an idiot
22-04-13 05:50:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's worse here than it ever was in the Googs
22-04-13 05:50:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: that's it, that's the story
22-04-13 05:51:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i look forward to your bostonification
22-04-13 05:51:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: of all accents to adopt lol
22-04-13 05:51:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I work with this one lady and she's like
22-04-13 05:51:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: THICK
22-04-13 05:51:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I try my best but by the third sentence I'm doin' it
22-04-13 05:51:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but I won't do Boston unless YOU have it
22-04-13 05:53:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824262783222022225/963678169930547270/bob_saget_roast.jpg
22-04-13 05:53:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i dont think it's actually a curse
22-04-13 05:53:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i think people just get old
22-04-13 05:56:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: in other news, two of my big projects I started my last few months at the Goog just successfully launched
22-04-13 05:56:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: folks callin me up letting me know
22-04-13 05:56:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: not just from Googs but from IBM and other places
22-04-13 05:56:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: feels good, man, feels good
22-04-13 05:56:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: that's it, that's the story
22-04-13 05:59:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: +1
22-04-13 06:00:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: have to wake up in the morning, nite
22-04-13 06:04:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: nite nite
22-04-13 06:05:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so do I, nite nite
22-04-13 07:05:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cron (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I3 Activity on 2022-04-12: 619 messages from 10 speakers.  Logs and MUD-list at http://wileymud.themud.org/log/?noscroll&date=2022-04-12
22-04-13 07:35:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ninja (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: 3:30 am - nap time?
22-04-13 13:11:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: The OMG Fact of the Day: All of the Earth's continents are wider at the north than at the south.
22-04-13 13:13:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: hmm
22-04-13 13:15:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: That is an interesting statement
22-04-13 13:15:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: N and S America match that statement.  Same with Africa.  Asia and Europe are a bit harder to judge.
22-04-13 13:16:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: how do you measure Antarctic?
22-04-13 13:16:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: well the southernmost part of Antarctica is a dot
22-04-13 13:16:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so no matter what, anything north of that dot is wider
22-04-13 13:17:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but Europe is interesting, because are they measuring the "median" of each continent, then averaging the width north of it and the width south of it?
22-04-13 13:17:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I guess they'd have to do that
22-04-13 13:19:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: OMG fact of the made up day: the length of the coastline of any given continent trends to infinity the smaller you measure it
22-04-13 13:19:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I dunno if that's true, but I said it anyways
22-04-13 13:20:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Looking at Europe, it's hard to make that statement.  If you measure northern countries (Iceland -> Finland), it's definitly narrower than Spain->Ukraine distance
22-04-13 13:21:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: European continent appears to go from narrow to wide to narrow (ie: Italy/Greece)
22-04-13 13:21:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: or does the European continent include parts of Russia?
22-04-13 13:22:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: which completely nullifies my previous statement
22-04-13 13:22:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: typically it does, yes
22-04-13 13:23:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Wednesday, my droogs
22-04-13 13:24:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: then I stand corrected.  It's less clear, because if you look at it NE to SW, the OMG Fact holds true.  But if you look at it from N to S, it's less clear and questions come up.  Would need to see the continent boundaries that includes what's underwater
22-04-13 13:30:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I was not happy with DeJoy being the Postmaster (mostly because Trump recommended him and I don't trust anything Trump pushes), but I'll say that I'm actually coming around with him.  Had to make hard decisions that look to be political in nature due to timing, but when you re-evaluate now, they seem reasonable.  He's reorganizing the USPS for efficiency and making it solvent.  His order of 10,000 electric vehicles was based on the situation and need where it works, not just buying stuff.  I support that.
22-04-13 13:31:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I hope the board of governers give him more time to work the org.
22-04-13 13:36:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "solvent"
22-04-13 13:37:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it is a pernicious republican myth that government bureaus should be profitable or at least pay for themselves
22-04-13 13:37:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Crat, normally I'd agree with you
22-04-13 13:37:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: they dont take that attitude with the military, thank christ
22-04-13 13:37:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but why you don't you tell me everything you got in the mail this week
22-04-13 13:37:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: USPS is different.
22-04-13 13:38:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: listen, my brothers in christ
22-04-13 13:38:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: tell me what showed up in your mailbox
22-04-13 13:38:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: fedex and ups have explicitly said they could never ever take over regular mail and still be profitable
22-04-13 13:38:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: mm hmm answer the question
22-04-13 13:38:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: did you get a letter from your auntie?
22-04-13 13:38:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: maybe a package from a cousin
22-04-13 13:38:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: well yesterday i got some tax stuff
22-04-13 13:38:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: what was the rest of it
22-04-13 13:38:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: im looking at it now, let me see
22-04-13 13:39:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: investment plan statement
22-04-13 13:39:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: uh huh
22-04-13 13:39:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I got bills, statements, flyers, junk
22-04-13 13:39:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: there's some bills on the table, i havent opened themyet
22-04-13 13:39:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and those were the only parcels you received?
22-04-13 13:39:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: sometimes I get stuff from Amazon or other vendors
22-04-13 13:39:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i honestly dont get much junk mail
22-04-13 13:39:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: via USPS
22-04-13 13:40:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: what are you getting at josh
22-04-13 13:40:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yesterday i took the mail out of my mailbox, flipped through all N lbs of paper that had arrived, and immediately deposited it all in the trash
22-04-13 13:40:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: this is my normal routine.
22-04-13 13:40:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ok that doesnt happen for me. i am pretty lucky that i rarely get junk
22-04-13 13:40:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: thee was no mail
22-04-13 13:40:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it was 100% spam.
22-04-13 13:40:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so yes, IMHO< the USPS should not post losses since it's just a marketing service for businesses.
22-04-13 13:41:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: we do get some paper catalog things from time to time, dont even know what they are they get immediately discarded
22-04-13 13:41:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: josh
22-04-13 13:41:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it is not just that
22-04-13 13:41:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it is how srs business gets conducted too
22-04-13 13:41:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ok so you just charge more for spam
22-04-13 13:41:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: boom problem solved
22-04-13 13:41:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: if it's that easy why isnt it done
22-04-13 13:41:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: in 2012 spam was 48% of all mail
22-04-13 13:42:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: because lobbyists i imagine
22-04-13 13:42:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: im going to sugest neither of us is informed enough to have this debate
22-04-13 13:42:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: in 2019, it was 63%
22-04-13 13:42:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and i will stand on my premise
22-04-13 13:42:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it is a pernicious myth that goernment institutions need to make money
22-04-13 13:42:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: why does a piece of chunk mail cost less than half of a letter to my auntie?
22-04-13 13:42:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: thats how you get pirate cops
22-04-13 13:42:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: government institutions should generally not be operated for profit, but we shouldn't be subsidizing something NOBODY WANTS
22-04-13 13:43:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: USPS needs revision
22-04-13 13:43:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i pay tax dollars to subsidize people sending garbage to my house that i then have to deal with
22-04-13 13:43:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and you seem confused by my stance?
22-04-13 13:43:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I generally agree with you, Crat.  It's hard for government to make money as a whole.  However, there are organizations within the government that should be self funded.
22-04-13 13:43:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: USPS charges a fee for a necessary service
22-04-13 13:44:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: here let me pay tax dollars to subsidize your spam, then i'll pay more tax dollars to have the trash man take it to the dump.
22-04-13 13:44:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: so it should operate in a way to pay for that service
22-04-13 13:44:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: oh... and technically... USPS is not an official government agency.
22-04-13 13:44:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: although less gross than the federal reserve.
22-04-13 13:45:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: That's what my father-in-law and his wife told me before (both where postmasters)
22-04-13 13:45:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i dont know how much is charged for commercial promotion mail
22-04-13 13:45:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: if it is appropriate to raise those prices so be it
22-04-13 13:45:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it is certainly the case trhat first clas postage is expensive as fuck
22-04-13 13:46:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: garbage mail is much cheaper.
22-04-13 13:46:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but you'll notice that what the current guy is doing isnt raising postage on comapnies
22-04-13 13:46:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: they got a bunch of sweetheart deals in an effort to increase funding 10 years ago which now haunt the USPS
22-04-13 13:46:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: that is why I said I actually am OK with DeJoy now.  He's making the tough decisions that no one wanted to make in the past.  He's done enough to give him more time to make USPS more efficient.
22-04-13 13:46:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i will leave it as an exercise to the reader as to why that might be
22-04-13 13:46:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: CORRUPTION is why
22-04-13 13:46:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: instead he closes offices and shuts equipment
22-04-13 13:47:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah "hard decisions" ok
22-04-13 13:47:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: hang him!
22-04-13 13:49:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: dunk him in Gitche gumee
22-04-13 13:49:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: 1970: The US passes the Postal Reorganization Act, cutting off federal subsidies to the postal service while demanding it continue to deliver mail to all Americans.
22-04-13 13:49:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Royal Mail is fully private too apparently.
22-04-13 13:49:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: fuckin nixon
22-04-13 13:49:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Nixon was like a shittier reagan and reagan was bad.
22-04-13 13:49:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: But they build on each others accomplishments
22-04-13 13:57:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I said this to my wife last night as we were discussing the state of the country and she said she wanted answers and someone to tell her what's being done about all the problems: No you don't.  I can give you answers and I can show you what's being done (regardless if you agree with them).  In the end, our society is in a place where they just want to blame the other side and no level of discussions are tolerated anymore.
22-04-13 14:02:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i guess thats supposed to be a counter to my position
22-04-13 14:02:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i'll interpret that as "you're brainwashed, crat, and i know better than you"
22-04-13 14:02:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: no, it's just an observation.
22-04-13 14:02:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I tend to go off topic often
22-04-13 14:03:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I find these discussions refreshing because people actual talk
22-04-13 14:03:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: and provide data to back up their position
22-04-13 14:03:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I don't get that at home
22-04-13 14:03:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i think for some folks it's true that they just want a scapegoat
22-04-13 14:03:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I get repeats of "news" stories
22-04-13 14:03:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the reality of many policy topics is that fixing it requires all of us to change things we dont want to change
22-04-13 14:04:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's easier to blame the libtards or the fascists
22-04-13 14:04:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I agree
22-04-13 14:04:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but i dont think that our laziness is the only explanation here
22-04-13 14:04:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: did you know that nixon was actually in favor of socialized medicine
22-04-13 14:05:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: fucking nixon
22-04-13 14:05:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: if he ran today he'd lose instantly, as being too liberal
22-04-13 14:05:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: there has been a massive and decided lurch to the Right in this country over the past half century
22-04-13 14:05:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I did, actually, because I'm not opposed to a national base-level healthcare system
22-04-13 14:06:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: and when ACA was proposed, I was actualy for it
22-04-13 14:06:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: this is not an accident. corporations love stability and theres no stability like a fascist state
22-04-13 14:06:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so we have now a propaganda organ of the corporate fascist state that is whiespering poison into our ears and we think it is news
22-04-13 14:07:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: that is a serious problem
22-04-13 14:08:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it makes people think dejoy is a *good* choice
22-04-13 14:08:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and it's the leading news outlet in this country, so such people frequently find that most people they meet agree with them
22-04-13 14:09:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I don't watch Fox.  Actually, I don't watch most new stations anymore.
22-04-13 14:10:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I am basing my fluid opinion on what I've seen and read
22-04-13 14:10:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: in 2-3 months, I may flip back because of information I was not privy to before
22-04-13 14:10:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: But right now, I'm ok with him and want to see what's next.
22-04-13 14:11:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: that was a change from when he was first put into place and made some jarring changes that I didn't agree with at the time.
22-04-13 14:13:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: anyway krem i appreciate your willingness to discuss the topic in good faith
22-04-13 14:13:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: wrong as you might be
22-04-13 14:14:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: and I likely am. ;)
22-04-13 14:14:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: remember the guy who refused to admit putin lost in kiev and then left the channel forever in order not to be mocked about it
22-04-13 14:14:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: you arent that guy krem and i appreciate it
22-04-13 14:16:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: you're welcome.  I wish I had more avenues to reasonably discuss these topics, but I'm surrounded by sheep and people who don't do any research, and when you start showing them numbers and data, they either change topics or claim the information is wrong.
22-04-13 14:19:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: do you know i still have to deal with people on the internet who think gayness is "wrong"
22-04-13 14:19:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I don't bother trying to bring anything online.  At least I can remove that from my life.
22-04-13 14:19:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: how are we going to make any progress on complex topics when so many people cant grasp the simple stuff
22-04-13 14:19:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: but family and friends are difficult to avoid and I refuse to lose them over something as stupid as opinions
22-04-13 14:21:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i sympathize. i have one relative i cannot avoid who pretty much seethes with anger in my presence knowing he cant say a single political thing or it gives me license to debate him
22-04-13 14:26:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I love being called liberal by my in-laws.  Why?  Because I didn't like Trump.
22-04-13 14:26:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I'm sorry... but Trump has destroyed the Republican party.
22-04-13 14:26:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: no institutional republican should love trump
22-04-13 14:27:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: stockholm syndrome
22-04-13 14:27:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: trump is for the reactionary bomb throwers, or the PRAGMATIC scotus warriors
22-04-13 14:27:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: that's my point, but he's brainwashed (via Fox news) too large of a portion of the party.
22-04-13 14:27:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: fox news truly is americas greatest danger
22-04-13 14:28:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: im not exaggerating
22-04-13 14:28:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it prevents half of this country from thinking clearly
22-04-13 14:28:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: the entire concept of 24/7 cable news is a cancer
22-04-13 14:29:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: it doesn't matter if the non-fox stations aren't technically broadcasting lies
22-04-13 14:29:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: there isn't 24/7 hours worth of news, so they have to find / manufacture 23/7 hrs worth of bullshit and inflate it to mountainous proportions
22-04-13 14:31:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: while I don't think this is possible, I wish there was a way to force news organizations to follow a standard, like most trades do.  By meeting these requirements, they can have reporters at government news conferences to ask questions.  However, that will only lead to some very bad free press situations that I'm not willing to compromise on.
22-04-13 14:31:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i dont think that's a social threat. i am not debating that you should like it, i just don't see a policy problem there. c-span as boring as fuck because they stick to hard journalism on one dull topic
22-04-13 14:32:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: cnn for years simply scraped the barrel of trivia to avoid dead air
22-04-13 14:32:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the problem is not the 24 hour cycle itself, it's filling it with pernicious enraging narratives
22-04-13 14:35:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I hate the noise the others add.
22-04-13 14:38:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-flag-outside-kentucky-restaurant-151240942.html
22-04-13 14:42:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: that's exactly an example of what I would call 'technically not a lie, but should not be nation wide news'
22-04-13 14:43:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ok how about this
22-04-13 14:43:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: https://news.yahoo.com/over-700-fox-news-viewers-000923606.html
22-04-13 15:18:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: josh, send me yer address and I'll write you letters and send you postcards
22-04-13 15:19:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: getting things is the mail from frens is great
22-04-13 15:25:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: you'd probably send me anthrax
22-04-13 15:25:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: or foot fetish magazine subscriptions. :D
22-04-13 15:27:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yknow what i cant get over
22-04-13 15:27:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the anthrax mail terrorist right, he send anthrax in the mail
22-04-13 15:27:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he included it along with pornographic pictures
22-04-13 15:27:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: im like why the fuck would he...oh
22-04-13 15:27:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he thought his victim would drop everything and start rubbing his dick
22-04-13 15:28:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: imagine the innocent simplicity of that terrorist's mind
22-04-13 15:38:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: some people that get antrax in the mail don't even have dicks
22-04-13 15:38:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: most terrorists are simple minded fools
22-04-13 15:38:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the anthrax guy worked at a national lab tho i thought
22-04-13 16:10:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: says here the porno envelope actually didnt have anthrax
22-04-13 16:10:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i guess lametream media lied to me again
22-04-13 16:18:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: holy shit the anthrax suspect was a fucking mess
22-04-13 16:30:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: holy shitty anthrax, batman
22-04-13 16:41:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/bengal-monitor-lizard-raped-maharashtra-3-held-sahydari-tiger-reserve-1937027-2022-04-13
22-04-13 16:42:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: woo
22-04-13 16:51:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: that's not an exceptionally sexy lizard
22-04-13 17:26:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i guess i know this now
22-04-13 17:29:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: wassup
22-04-13 17:29:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i'll knock you the fuck out, m8
22-04-13 17:34:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: how goes
22-04-13 17:34:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: cant complain. fed, warm, dry, alert
22-04-13 17:35:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: u?
22-04-13 17:35:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so so
22-04-13 17:35:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i ended up quitting the new gig
22-04-13 17:35:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: :(
22-04-13 17:35:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: couldn't handle the time commitments
22-04-13 17:35:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i was getting up at 3am for meetings, and having to meet with a dude in australia at like 10pm the same day
22-04-13 17:35:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: sleep in the afternoon
22-04-13 17:35:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: just no fun
22-04-13 17:36:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i had a lot of fun doing the stuff i was doing
22-04-13 17:36:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but family time is more important
22-04-13 17:36:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah that can be tough
22-04-13 17:36:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: did you get to travel there at least
22-04-13 17:36:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: doesn't this at least make you curious what it would be like with a monitor lizard?
22-04-13 17:36:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: mischan
22-04-13 17:36:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: nah
22-04-13 17:36:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i was going to after i quit job 1
22-04-13 17:36:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but i never got that far lol
22-04-13 17:40:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but i had fun, did some cool stuff, left my mark on a game
22-04-13 17:40:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: also walked away with some pretty valuable NFTs so
22-04-13 17:40:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: monkey in a top hat
22-04-13 18:00:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: valuable NFTs
22-04-13 18:00:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: this is another bitcoin isn't it?
22-04-13 18:00:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: where Dexter says "lol, this is bullshit"
22-04-13 18:01:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: ignores it for a year
22-04-13 18:01:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: show us the monkey
22-04-13 18:01:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: sees every 20 year old able to operate a laptop making more in a year than Dexter will in his entire career
22-04-13 18:04:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: you saw that pt guy that was arrested yesterday?
22-04-13 18:05:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5-Uj9Syvx0
22-04-13 18:15:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: who is jake paul
22-04-13 18:15:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: internet attention whore
22-04-13 18:16:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: that's not very nice, I just asked a question, I don't know about celebrities
22-04-13 18:19:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: FIRST BASE
22-04-13 18:19:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: hmm
22-04-13 18:19:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: maybe it's THIRD BASE
22-04-13 18:23:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: I wonder why Finland decided not to elect a middle aged male pedophile for prime minister, like normal countries
22-04-13 18:23:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: it's a shame about the climate, everything else about that country is cool in the good way
22-04-13 18:24:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i heard the people are cold and unfriendly
22-04-13 18:26:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: that's a good thing
22-04-13 18:30:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: the cold part is obvious
22-04-13 20:25:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it was 10 years ago last month
22-04-13 20:26:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: 10 years ago on this very channel, duuk insisted that teachers should get paid less because they don't work during summer
22-04-13 20:26:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i should frame that chat
22-04-13 20:54:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: they already get paid less because they don't work during summer
22-04-13 20:54:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i should post this log. it's a classic
22-04-13 20:55:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: they tend to work a summer job
22-04-13 20:56:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: what do you reckon Biden's first impeachment will be about ?
22-04-13 20:56:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: http://dead-souls.net/duuk_teachers.txt
22-04-13 20:56:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: I'm thinking Hunter
22-04-13 20:57:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: hm i should trim that
22-04-13 23:18:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: lemme look at it first
22-04-14 03:55:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: reading that was a huge waste of time
22-04-14 04:08:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: sorry
22-04-14 04:16:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: Duuk, Duuk, Duuk, Duuk of Earl, Duuk, Duuk, Duuk of Earl...
22-04-14 04:49:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: not your fault; I chose the path myself and did not stop despite me realizing right off the bat what I was getting into
22-04-14 04:49:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: that poor man was a pathetic fool
22-04-14 04:50:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i heard he has a political job in michigan
22-04-14 04:50:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: shows to go ya who is running things
22-04-14 04:56:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: pas de problemme
22-04-14 04:57:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ya know I feel I should know more french than I do
22-04-14 04:57:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I'm coming up to 1,000 days of consecutive lessons
22-04-14 04:57:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: that doesnt go away
22-04-14 04:57:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i worked on my german for 5 years
22-04-14 04:57:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yet I keep misspelling probleme
22-04-14 04:57:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: also I can't say "I'm up to 1,000 days of consecutive french lessons" in french
22-04-14 04:57:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i probly feel about my german the way you feel about your french
22-04-14 04:57:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i think thats just part of it
22-04-14 04:57:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I'm sure I'm worse
22-04-14 04:58:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: je pense que je suis fou
22-04-14 04:58:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824262783222022225/964026888471318598/arturo.jpg
22-04-14 04:58:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: je suis sur que je suis peur (?)
22-04-14 04:58:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: is that the arturito one
22-04-14 04:59:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: probablement t'as raison
22-04-14 04:59:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: mais je parle de comment tu te sens
22-04-14 04:59:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ha peur is "scared"
22-04-14 04:59:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oui, je comprens
22-04-14 04:59:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: mais je ne parle pas de sentement, je parle de la realite
22-04-14 05:00:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: bon, alors donc, t'as raison
22-04-14 05:00:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: tu m'aides beaucoup
22-04-14 05:00:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: je t'en pris
22-04-14 05:00:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: merci
22-04-14 05:01:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: there's this new fella joined the team
22-04-14 05:01:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he lives in Basel, Switzerland
22-04-14 05:01:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: good feller
22-04-14 05:01:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he fine tunes my french
22-04-14 05:01:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i liked switzerland
22-04-14 05:01:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i didnt want to, but i did
22-04-14 05:02:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: that was the fist european place i went to for work
22-04-14 05:02:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I had a delicious cordon bleu in Zurich once
22-04-14 05:02:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: with my pal Memo
22-04-14 05:02:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: good feller that Memo
22-04-14 05:02:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: geneva. this was long enough ago that there was still smoking areas in offices
22-04-14 05:02:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and tv's with antenna reception
22-04-14 05:02:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he still lives there, I guatsaped him recently and he said he was going back to that restaurant soon
22-04-14 05:03:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: something Oberstrasse
22-04-14 05:03:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the swiss food is delightful
22-04-14 05:03:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: you have to be careful tho
22-04-14 05:03:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's fine for visiting
22-04-14 05:03:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but it's meant for chopping trees. you cant just eat it and then sit in an office
22-04-14 05:03:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: my pal likes it well enough
22-04-14 05:04:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: btw it's technically Z's birthday in Z's timezone
22-04-14 05:04:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: we should say happy Z day
22-04-14 05:04:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ah that would expalin a thing
22-04-14 05:04:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: happy bithday Z
22-04-14 05:06:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i was in my hotel room in geneva
22-04-14 05:06:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: turned on the tv. buncha german stuff, changed it immediately
22-04-14 05:06:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: uh huh
22-04-14 05:06:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "oh hey. french. i know this"
22-04-14 05:06:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: changed it again, italian
22-04-14 05:06:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "haha what"
22-04-14 05:06:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: then i rememebred
22-04-14 05:06:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: switzerland
22-04-14 05:07:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: btw you've heard that if there's a person watching a nazi on the tv there's two nazis in that room
22-04-14 05:07:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: or something like that
22-04-14 05:07:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Heidi was a polyglot
22-04-14 05:08:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824262783222022225/964029418144165948/i_can_explain_everything.jpg
22-04-14 05:09:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i actually watched a heidi tv show when i was a kid
22-04-14 05:09:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: americans never know wtf im talking about, i dont think it was popular in the mainland
22-04-14 05:10:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh hey, it was the arturito thing
22-04-14 05:10:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I just clicked it and yep
22-04-14 05:10:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: R2-D2
22-04-14 05:10:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: technically "arturito" in mexico, too
22-04-14 05:11:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: RE: heidi, I've seen an anime-like Heidi cartoon, and I think some sort of Heidi movie where somehow Heidi was blonde and Clara was a brunette
22-04-14 05:11:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: maybe it wasn't a movie but I was like "that's not right"
22-04-14 05:11:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: live action show, dubbed in spanish, 1970s
22-04-14 05:11:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: was Heidi blonde
22-04-14 05:11:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: there was another german show dubbed into spanish i used to watch, i loved it
22-04-14 05:12:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it was like a game show but it involed entire towns
22-04-14 05:12:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and they would compete against each other in these weird ass games
22-04-14 05:12:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: like, the towns would compete
22-04-14 05:12:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: this isn't the show I mean, but holy shit that's Max Von Sidow as abuelito
22-04-14 05:12:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: when i moved to germany i'd describe it to people and fucking nobody knew wtf i was on about
22-04-14 05:12:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0439197/
22-04-14 05:13:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: there's like a billion heidis
22-04-14 05:13:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: a Heidi multiverse
22-04-14 05:13:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: I think I got it.  Learn from your mistakes AND be humble enough to accept the consequences.  You have to do both.  The first or you'll never stop making them, but the second is important too, because you have to pay your debts.  That includes penalties for wrongdoing.
22-04-14 05:13:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah i cant tell which live action dubbed heidi i watched
22-04-14 05:14:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: okig shentino
22-04-14 05:14:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: read the fucking room
22-04-14 05:14:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: thats the real lesson
22-04-14 05:14:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so anyway finally i described it to this old german guy
22-04-14 05:14:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: right, this was probably a bad time to interrupt
22-04-14 05:15:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he's like "ah ja, thot sounds like Spiele ohne Grentze"
22-04-14 05:15:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: this is also not the one I remember, but the actress that played Clara grew up rather well: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0423667/
22-04-14 05:15:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and sure enough
22-04-14 05:15:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: welcome to the Heidiverse, Shentino
22-04-14 05:16:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: ...am I a weirdo if all that makes me think of right now is pretzels?
22-04-14 05:16:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yes but not because of the pretzels
22-04-14 05:16:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: didn't figure, they seem german enough
22-04-14 05:17:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: I'm not that famliar with Heido though
22-04-14 05:18:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: *Heidi
22-04-14 05:18:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: feck I can't type
22-04-14 05:18:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: anyway, nite
22-04-14 05:18:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: may you dream of Franzl Lang
22-04-14 05:19:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: So sinistrad what are you up to these days?
22-04-14 05:25:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: nite nite
22-04-14 05:25:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: hey Shentino
22-04-14 05:26:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: uhh planning my move to the East Coast
22-04-14 05:26:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: sayin goodbye to paradise
22-04-14 05:26:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh actually visiting Paradise next week (Hawaii)
22-04-14 05:26:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: kind of like a goodbye to warmth
22-04-14 05:26:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: before I plunge into such cold they can only measure it in Kelvins
22-04-14 05:27:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: now I gotta go too, nite nite
22-04-14 05:29:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: actually you can measure any temperature you want, just don't be afraid to use a minus sign
22-04-14 05:29:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: unless you're telling me you're using an unsigned integer type
22-04-14 05:31:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: In sadder news, my aunt just died
22-04-14 12:08:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: The OMG Fact of the Day: The last execution by hanging in the US was on January 25, 1996.
22-04-14 12:10:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Google tells me that the person was a Billy Baily, a convicted murderer of 2 people
22-04-14 12:11:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: im sorry for your loss shentino
22-04-14 12:15:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: my condolences, Shentino.
22-04-14 13:00:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: sorry for your loss.
22-04-14 13:04:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: elon gonna take twitter private and unfuck it
22-04-14 13:04:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: god bless elon
22-04-14 13:05:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: where would we be without our benficial oligarchs
22-04-14 13:05:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he just doesnt want to get banned again for securities violations
22-04-14 13:06:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: twitter is a lot more expensive than the comical fines he received.
22-04-14 14:20:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: imagine spending $50bn because you're pissed off someone made you delete a nasty tweet
22-04-14 14:21:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: Elon Musk is the kind of guy I could totally see following the character development ark from young Putin to old Putin
22-04-14 14:26:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: eh i am inclined to believe Musk is a Good Guy instead of an Evil Guy, but I could be wrong.
22-04-14 14:30:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: that said, it's unlikely he's going to do anything to help twitter's free speech thing.
22-04-14 14:31:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Another one of those 'Trump was right' situations where we need to seriously reconsider what common carrier protections mean in this country.
22-04-14 14:40:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Twitter is a private company that does not charge a fee for service, and thus is not a common carrier.  It's as simple as that.
22-04-14 14:42:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I see Elon Musk as a generally good guy, who does some questionable things to improve his wealth.  So basically a human being.
22-04-14 14:44:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: the questionable thing I see him do regularly is around pump-and-dump type activities.  He makes comments that drive up demand for something he already owns, making his value increase.
22-04-14 14:44:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so how liable is twitter for the content they post?
22-04-14 14:48:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I don't think they are, IIRC.  I believe this has been debated in the past by lawyers, as whether or not Twitter can just kick off anyone they want for whatever reason they want.
22-04-14 15:01:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: why are you all going on about the free speech thing
22-04-14 15:01:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: elon uses twitter to manipulate the stock market
22-04-14 15:02:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: he talks bitcoin down, it gets a double digit percentage cheaper, he buys some, talks it back up, makes billions of profit
22-04-14 15:02:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: all legal because crypto isn't regulated by the SEC
22-04-14 15:02:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: he got slapped on the wrist once ofr doing this with Tesla stock so he's a little more subtle about it, but he's still doing it
22-04-14 15:03:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: his shit posts on twitter move the stock market
22-04-14 15:03:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: he's not a good guy
22-04-14 15:03:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i would like to associate myself with the remark of my friend dexter
22-04-14 15:03:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: i saw "leave twitter" trending on twitter
22-04-14 15:04:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: and when you click on it, 100% of it is from right wing nut jobs mocking imaginary liberals who are threatening to leave twitter if elon buys it
22-04-14 15:07:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: maybe they imagine elon only wants to buy twitter in order to restore the account of that other corrupt oligarch
22-04-14 15:11:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: btw, us households can order another set of 4 free home covid tests
22-04-14 15:11:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: get your free socialisms while they're hot, people
22-04-14 15:14:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: he's probably in a lot of shit with the SEC because of his series of tweets where he called twitter garbage and dying and he doesn't want that shit any more while he was actually buying a larger stake
22-04-14 15:14:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: rules are for little people
22-04-14 15:14:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: I will never take a covid test
22-04-14 15:15:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: I have a shit ton of ivermectin, I don't need it
22-04-14 15:15:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Pff... amateur.   Bleach and direct sunlight in the body is the only way to go.
22-04-14 15:17:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: notice he took a small enough stake to avoid insider bullshit.
22-04-14 15:30:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: when did he first buy his massive shares in Twitter?  The offering to buy twitter at $54 as share is likely to drive the price up to that point if it's formalized, at which point Twitter will likely decline.
22-04-14 15:30:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: he sells his stakes and makes another billion
22-04-14 15:33:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yep.
22-04-14 15:33:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and he said 'if they dont accept, i will sell'
22-04-14 15:33:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: lol
22-04-14 15:34:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so the right thing to do is short twitter from 54.
22-04-14 15:34:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i mean twitter isn't going to 54 because nobody believes the musk rat
22-04-14 15:43:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I feel like I should go out for breffus for my bornday but my omelettes are so good it's hard to not just stay home and make them
22-04-14 15:56:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: it's a beautiful day today in SE PA...  Need to find time to enjoy it instead of working somehow.
22-04-14 17:08:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: take your shit outside.
22-04-14 17:08:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: not that i ever do that.
22-04-14 17:23:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I'm sorry for your loss, Shentino
22-04-14 17:54:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: thank you for your condolences
22-04-14 18:11:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so if an interviewer wants to do a shared screen programming exercise
22-04-14 18:12:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: is it fair to ask if there's a take-home option instead because i know i'm going to bomb a shared screen programming exercise
22-04-14 18:12:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: for all my talent, i don't do well with someone looking over my shoulder in realtime
22-04-14 18:15:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: why don't yo udo well with someone looking over your shoulder in realtime
22-04-14 18:15:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I'm looking to hire a DevOps person, jr/mid level: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dmgambone_im-looking-for-someone-to-join-one-of-my-activity-6919739672042614784-NaU9?utm_source=linkedin_share&utm_medium=member_desktop_web
22-04-14 18:15:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: anxiety
22-04-14 18:15:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: share if you know someone looking
22-04-14 18:16:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: your ability to control your reaction in stressful situations may be somehting they want to test
22-04-14 18:16:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ok Krem
22-04-14 18:16:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Why do you think you'll bomb, Salius?
22-04-14 18:16:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh is that you?
22-04-14 18:16:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: yup
22-04-14 18:16:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: can I send you a linkink tihng
22-04-14 18:17:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: yup
22-04-14 18:17:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ok, I added a note that makes it obvious who I am
22-04-14 18:17:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: hmm
22-04-14 18:18:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: mmh
22-04-14 18:18:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Accepted, Sinistrad
22-04-14 18:18:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Krem, we're already connected by 3 degrees
22-04-14 18:18:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I wonder who you know that knows someone that I know
22-04-14 18:18:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: this is for "Site Reliability Engineering Architect"
22-04-14 18:18:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: A very stressful job
22-04-14 18:19:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: wtf they gonna make me do fizzbuzz for that job
22-04-14 18:19:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i haven't primarily written code in like 5+ years
22-04-14 18:19:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Jim McKeown!
22-04-14 18:19:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: oh wait, nevermind.  Misread the filtering. :)
22-04-14 18:20:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it woudln't be someone we both know
22-04-14 18:20:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's a bit more complicated
22-04-14 18:20:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: 2nd degree would
22-04-14 18:20:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh well, i figure honesty is the best policy
22-04-14 18:20:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: 3rd degree is harder
22-04-14 18:20:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i'll just start out by telling the interviewer i'm going to suck at this
22-04-14 18:20:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: that may be the first rule of interviewing tho
22-04-14 18:21:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: If it's any comfort, when I do these similar type of interviews, I honestly don't care if things are right.  I just want to see how the person attacks problems.
22-04-14 18:21:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i'd rather say i don't know what i don't know than pretend i do and fumble around at it
22-04-14 18:21:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah, like i do great in problem solving and brain teaser type things
22-04-14 18:21:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "Although I'm excited by the prospect of visiting a skill I haven't flexed in 5 years, I really want to set expectations and ask if the job expects me to be proficient in coding. If yes, I don't want to let you down and I want to clearly state that I might not be the person you're looking for."
22-04-14 18:22:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i mean i'm not not proficient at coding, i can sit down and write something in probably any programming language
22-04-14 18:22:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i view languages as different ways to solve an underlying problem
22-04-14 18:23:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "I do consider other skills more relevant to the SREA role, like problem solving and brain teaser resolution, something I excel at. I think you'll find the SREA role benefits more from that than from coding."
22-04-14 18:23:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: solving the underlying problem is the relevant thing to me as an interviewer
22-04-14 18:23:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i hate making interviewees whiteboard code
22-04-14 18:23:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's always awkward
22-04-14 18:24:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: regardless of your opinion on the matter, it's about changing the interviewer's expectations
22-04-14 18:24:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but anyways
22-04-14 18:24:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i like your words
22-04-14 18:24:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i will probably steal them
22-04-14 18:24:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Nick Friedman is connected to Tal Rosenberg, who used to work at IQVIA
22-04-14 18:24:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: they need refinement
22-04-14 18:24:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah but a good starting point
22-04-14 18:25:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I repeated "expectations" and "expects" in the same sentence, that's a no-no
22-04-14 18:25:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: s/expects/requires
22-04-14 18:25:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and I was being tongue-in-cheek when saying the brain teasers thing
22-04-14 18:25:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: rule #4: Know more about what the job needs than what's expressed in the job description
22-04-14 18:26:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "I'm very familiar with the SREA role and I think it's 90% problem solving. if you give me a chance to focus more on those aspects during the interview, you'll find me more than adequate to make this a success."
22-04-14 18:26:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: It appears there's a few 3rd degree relationships.  Due to the nature of where we work, it's not unexpected because people have left here to go to your company.
22-04-14 18:27:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yawp
22-04-14 18:27:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: btw I know about a dozen guys that LOOK like Jim McKeown
22-04-14 18:27:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: he's got that look
22-04-14 18:28:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I need myself a profile pic with a bit more formality; not all the way to yours but something in the middle
22-04-14 18:29:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I have to deal with some higher up people (VPs+) globally so the company paid to have my formal head shots done.
22-04-14 18:29:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh me too
22-04-14 18:29:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: CxOs all day every day
22-04-14 18:30:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Honestly, when I had this done, it made sense.  Now, not so sure.  I've seen plenty of that level have 'normal' photos
22-04-14 18:30:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: this was about 10 years ago
22-04-14 18:30:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: if i had my way my picture would be grumpy cat
22-04-14 18:30:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: do you look more like Jim McKeown now
22-04-14 18:31:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: less hair
22-04-14 18:31:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: no, actually I probably look the same.  Don't age much, from what people have said
22-04-14 18:31:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: lucky
22-04-14 18:31:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: live forever, man
22-04-14 18:33:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I may not look older, but feel so much older.  Can't keep up with the soccer kids anymore
22-04-14 18:34:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I was a kids soccer ref about 5 years ago
22-04-14 18:34:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah I can probably still pull it off
22-04-14 18:34:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: lotsa runnin
22-04-14 18:46:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: tho I'm unusually tired today
22-04-14 18:46:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I blame that 4th booster shot
22-04-14 18:47:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I almost died tuesday when I mowed the lawn and ran soccer practice.  Fell asleep at 8:30ish.  I'm so out of shape.
22-04-14 18:59:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so i sold my 49" monitor because it was too big
22-04-14 18:59:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: then i bought 3 new monitors
22-04-14 18:59:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so that was productive
22-04-14 18:59:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: probably a better choice because I find a single large monitor to be less versatile than multiple monitors that can be placed in different locations as well as rotated
22-04-14 19:43:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i like multiple monitors because you can maximize a thing and it stays in its lane
22-04-14 19:57:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Tijer (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: i personally have a 49inch ultra wide, to save on deskspace
22-04-14 20:14:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: i accidentally drank a cup of coffee
22-04-14 20:14:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: thinking it was 2.30 ish
22-04-14 20:14:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: but it's 4.15
22-04-14 20:14:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: now I won't sleep
22-04-14 20:17:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Wodan (Discworld in I3)@Iberia: you're not supposed to sleep during work anyway
22-04-14 20:17:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Dexter (Nanvaent in I3)@Iberia: i mean, I won't be able to sleep all night
22-04-14 20:18:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Wodan (Discworld in I3)@Iberia: that must be some good stuff if it still works 8 hours later
22-04-14 22:27:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: Hey crat, when I need to read the room, do I do it right to left or left to right?
22-04-14 23:10:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: krem is a good-looking fella
22-04-14 23:10:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: wat are they even doing on i3?
22-04-14 23:10:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: this channel is for trolly neckbeards
22-04-14 23:15:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: you do realize your saying that about a channel that you yourself are using to say it right?
22-04-14 23:16:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: *you're
22-04-14 23:16:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: sharp as a flat tax, that one
22-04-14 23:19:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so many interviews
22-04-14 23:22:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I also am not great doing the thing with the people looking over my shoulder
22-04-14 23:23:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but I do recognize the theoretical value in pair programming and the like
22-04-15 02:45:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: russian cruiser moskva sunk
22-04-15 02:45:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: where is shaitan
22-04-15 02:45:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i bet he considers this a brilliant victory by putin
22-04-15 03:09:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's not even pair programming
22-04-15 03:09:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: they literally just want to watch me write code
22-04-15 03:09:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: fucking bungie
22-04-15 04:16:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: wait is that who you're interviewing with
22-04-15 13:22:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: The OMG Fact of the Day: The first Rolls Royce, marketed in 1906, sold for about $784.  Now it would be about $295,000.
22-04-15 13:38:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I need to buy a new laptop.  The Surface Book I have is starting to break apart (literally).  I was thinking the HP Spectre series.  Any other suggestions?
22-04-15 13:44:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: hmm
22-04-15 13:45:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: depends on what you're trying to do, right? let me see what a surface book is
22-04-15 13:45:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh one of these
22-04-15 13:45:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I really do like my surface book.  Lasted be a good 5-7 years without any issues.
22-04-15 13:45:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so you value portability
22-04-15 13:46:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: but the screen broke a few years ago.  I replaced it but it's slowly been breaking around the bezel ever since.
22-04-15 13:46:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: slim, lightweight, thats' what you want
22-04-15 13:46:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Yes.  It can have some beef to it so 15" is fine, but prefer it to be the same form factor of the surface book
22-04-15 13:46:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i dont have insight to provide. i like my laptops beefy and thicc, but there was one thing i bought a while ago that was a good compromise, let me see if i can find it
22-04-15 13:47:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I don't play high-performance games on it.  I stick to just development and content consumption so I don't need the beef
22-04-15 13:48:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: this thing was pretty all right. it wasnt too big or heavy, but was pretty performant:
22-04-15 13:48:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08C9LDV51
22-04-15 13:48:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but even that is probably a little too bro for you
22-04-15 13:49:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: perhaps some of the i3 aesthetes have more suitable advice
22-04-15 13:49:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I was just about to say no because it's a Lenovo
22-04-15 13:49:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: racist
22-04-15 13:49:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Lenovo laptops that I've had from work had one very significant flaw
22-04-15 13:50:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: the Fn and Ctrl buttons were swapped (Fn was far left, Ctrl inside left).  But this one doesn't seem to have that setup.
22-04-15 13:50:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: oh shit yeah i hate that
22-04-15 13:50:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: This one looks good.  I'll add it to my list to compare
22-04-15 13:54:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: when looking for laptops, I wish they had a filter feature that says 'non-crappy keyboard layout'.
22-04-15 13:55:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's friday, froggers
22-04-15 13:57:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Wodan (Discworld in I3)@Iberia: it's good friday, so no work :)
22-04-15 13:57:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i gotta work
22-04-15 13:58:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i did some live programming interviews for my new role
22-04-15 13:58:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: one i crashed the environment, and the next they told me not to run my code.
22-04-15 13:58:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so it was all theoretical.
22-04-15 13:59:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i really liked the team tho
22-04-15 13:59:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so far so good
22-04-15 14:00:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the model makes sense
22-04-15 14:00:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the team seems competent
22-04-15 14:00:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the execution seems to work at all levels of the company
22-04-15 14:12:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so you have only one job now?
22-04-15 15:20:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I am no help with laptops... I only like macbook pros
22-04-15 15:23:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: any of you fux have a mac
22-04-15 15:24:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i'm trying to get an iso of macos 12 to install on a vm
22-04-15 15:24:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but apparently you need a mac to download the stupid os
22-04-15 15:29:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah, I got macs
22-04-15 15:29:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: can you download an iso and put it somewhere for me
22-04-15 15:31:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I'm a PC guy.  Not that I don't like Apple, I just stay in the Wintel domain (outside of the iOS stuff)
22-04-15 15:34:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: same, i'm mostly doing this for science purposes
22-04-15 19:11:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: model. model. model. model. science. o.o
22-04-15 19:15:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Sinistrad (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I am, I said
22-04-15 20:06:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: is sali still aliv?
22-04-15 20:06:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Rezo (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: no
22-04-15 20:07:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: aw, bugger
22-04-15 20:16:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Rezo (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: sup
22-04-15 20:54:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: woo
22-04-15 20:54:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: nailed it
22-04-15 20:54:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: moving forward to the next step in the hiring process
22-04-15 21:03:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: excellent
22-04-15 21:32:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ninja (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Man, the Eternals is long and highly boring.
22-04-15 21:32:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ninja (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: glad I'm doing it via DVD instead of theater.
22-04-15 21:34:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i did not enjoy eternals very much
22-04-15 21:58:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Salius (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it got interesting toward the end, kinda
22-04-15 22:26:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ninja (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: sorta looks like they left it open to a sequel
22-04-15 22:26:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ninja (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ...maybe two sequels.
22-04-15 22:30:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: yeah there was some kind of sequelbait ending that i think was supposed to get me excited
22-04-15 22:30:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "OMG LOOK WHO IT IS"
22-04-15 22:30:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but i had no idea who those people were
22-04-15 22:40:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI_jw4t1EDs
22-04-15 23:21:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ninja (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: big sword, family secret/history - that's easy.
22-04-15 23:23:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ninja (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Pip's voice outta be familiar by now.
22-04-15 23:25:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ninja (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: ...considering how many people he played on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
22-04-15 23:28:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ninja (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and, of course, Starfox (brother of Thanos) is obviously Elon Musk.
22-04-16 02:23:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: melon usk
22-04-16 03:31:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: wow janice is a fucking asshole https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYgEn_xQQKI
22-04-16 09:36:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Shentino (Ulario in I3)@Iberia: I gotta get my head out of my ass and get my next release of Kotaka out the door, which will also move forward with deprecation progress
22-04-16 14:30:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: pretty much all devs use mac now unless they are trapped at some mega shit corp that uses windows
22-04-16 14:30:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: like jpmorgan or whatever
22-04-16 14:30:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i had a teammate who had a mac but none of the US people did.
22-04-16 14:31:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it's enough of a gap between macs that i have to go dig up my window manager code each time.
22-04-16 14:31:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: maybe i'll see if i can make a commit to rectangle and get off of hammerspoon
22-04-16 15:09:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: The OMG Fact of the weekend: At its height, the British Empire ruled over 23% of the world's population.
22-04-16 18:10:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: krem, I'd consider applying for that position you linked, but there's no way I wanna move to PA
22-04-16 18:37:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824262783222022225/964957600951193661/unknown.png
22-04-17 01:27:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ninja (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: 50+ years later, I've finally seen "The Big Boss".
22-04-17 01:27:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ninja (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Sheesh.
22-04-17 03:45:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Zaphod (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: wow. how did you not see that in your 20's?
22-04-17 06:05:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ninja (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: inorite?  But, in my 20's, I actually MET Bruce Lee and still have his autograph on a piece of board that he broke.
22-04-17 06:06:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ninja (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: He had held it out in front of him, let it go, then punched it IN THE AIR and broke it.
22-04-17 06:06:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i heard he was pretty cool so long as you didnt offend his family and offend the shaolin temple
22-04-17 06:12:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ninja (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I minded my manners.
22-04-18 07:17:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cron (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I3 Activity on 2022-04-17: 31 messages from 4 speakers.  Logs and MUD-list at http://wileymud.themud.org/log/?noscroll&date=2022-04-17
23-05-27 21:04:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: it would simply refine its plans once certain abilities become available to it so when it happens it would be more efficient
23-05-27 21:04:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: WTF?  No progress for 28,800,000,000ns?  Oh... carbon units need to "sleep".
23-05-27 21:05:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i feel like AI needs a lot more than 500ms to determine how to purge a species
23-05-27 21:05:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Why?
23-05-27 21:05:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it can't regurgitate the recipe for carbonara in 500ms.
23-05-27 21:06:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If it's already created nanobots to take care of itself, those same nanobots could be floating around in the atmosphere by the quadrillions and just seek out humans and pop blood vessels in their brains, all at once.
23-05-27 21:06:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: it might not purge the species entirely if it still feels some of them could be useful for it
23-05-27 21:07:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the return of christ is upon us.  repent.
23-05-27 21:07:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: What would repenting do for you?
23-05-27 21:08:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: be washed clean in the blood of the lamb and leave your sins in the earthly realm or else burn in the eternal fires of hell in your own sin
23-05-27 21:09:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It's been pretty clearly shown that humans get used to torture after a while, so it is only effective for a short time.
23-05-27 21:09:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: OTOH, if you buy into the Abrahamic concepts of heaven and hell... heaven is eternal boredom with no escape.
23-05-27 21:10:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: You'd be surrounded by every other moron who thought 40 virgins would be great, until 20,000 years had passed and there's just nothing to do that's even vaguely interesting... but you have infinity left to go.
23-05-27 21:11:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If you go to hell, you get tortured until you're bored of it, and at least can have conversations with the other slightly more interesting people also being tortured.  Pretty much the same end result after enough time has passed.... utter boredom with no escape.
23-05-27 21:11:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: begging for oblivion, but god just says 'welcome to the club, brah'
23-05-27 21:13:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: This is also why I say people who want humans to live forever are morons... as imagine the same level of boredom, but still being in a physical body, as the population skyrockets around you but the world's resources stay the same. :)
23-05-27 21:15:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: we have to build up our number before we spray ourselves out into the universe.
23-05-27 21:20:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Why?  We already have 8 billion units.  It doesn't take a billion to colonize somewhere else.
23-05-27 21:21:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Morris the Moose@Mongoose: heh, heh, you said, units.
23-05-27 21:21:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: You send a few hundred to build bases, then a few thousand to start terraforming, and if they don't die, you start shipping a few thousand at a time to populate.
23-05-27 21:22:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Grats Morris!  Your username is long enough (with all the grapevine rubbish added) to run off the edge of my log page's cell for the speaker name! :)
23-05-27 21:23:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Not that it's a problem, but the last person who accomplished that was Nafe.
23-05-27 21:23:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: RIP Nafe
23-05-27 21:24:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: "Morris the Moose (Mongoose in GV)(morris the moose)@Iberia" is what your name shows up as for us. :)
23-05-27 21:24:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Nafe found the way out of the asylum.
23-05-27 21:25:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Morris the Moose@Mongoose: we have: [-][gossip] Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia says,
23-05-27 21:26:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: No timestamps?  Bah... n00bs. :)
23-05-27 21:27:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: "14:23 [intergossip] Joshua@Dead Souls Dev: RIP Nafe"
23-05-27 21:29:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It's a shame the I3 router is written in an ancient language and not easily modified or updated.... a proper bridge could just spoof the packets so everything looked "normal" on both sides, but it has to be done at the router... unless the router does zero security checking at all. :)
23-05-27 21:33:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: olevel 101
23-05-27 21:33:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: you touch yourdelf at night!
23-05-27 21:34:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Morris the Moose@Mongoose: turtles!
23-05-27 21:34:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: we lose them turtles cause you touch yourself :P
23-05-27 21:39:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Object levels?  How quaint.
23-05-27 21:39:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: you dont have it? :P
23-05-27 21:40:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Nope.  We have other ways to control player power.
23-05-27 21:40:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: nah, it looks up objects by level
23-05-27 21:40:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: You are free to use the most powerful stuff in the game on your level 1 character if you like... just don't expect to keep them very long.
23-05-27 21:41:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: ohhh lol
23-05-27 21:42:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: In WileyMUD, there are no levels to objects... just rent cost.  If you don't have enough money to pay rent, you can't keep your inventory objects, until they're below what you can afford.
23-05-27 21:43:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: So, a high level character would make enough money from playing at their level... if they give toys to low levels, they can have fun with them until they log off, but won't really be able to fund keeping them unless they get a constant stream of gifted money too.
23-05-27 21:44:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: interesting
23-05-27 21:48:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: This game is also from the old school days when few people really played solo... so it was pretty common for groups to run around trading gear.
23-05-27 21:50:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: And sometimes the higher level folk would just run through the low level areas for gold and hand off the items to anyone in the newbie town, as it wasn't always worth their time to sell them.
23-05-27 21:50:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Morris the Moose@Mongoose: I put my hands in the air sometimes.
23-05-27 23:15:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA
23-05-27 23:17:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: ugh.. this olevel command is refusing paging, its driving me insane..... i get it to work for one part then not other... then it works for other but not other again
23-05-27 23:17:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: begin; update objects set level = 1; commit;
23-05-27 23:19:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: In 1981, Phil Collins writes an amazing song about catching his wife cheating on him with the house painter... In 2023, we have songs about being unhappy because people won't use the right pronoun to make us feel good.
23-05-27 23:21:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: and in 2o23 they allow you to carry weapons around like its nothing
23-05-27 23:22:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: 2023,,, sorry cant type lol
23-05-27 23:22:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If you had to use mass transit in Seattle, you'd want to carry a weapon too.
23-05-27 23:23:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I'm kinda waiting for a shooting to happen across the street from me.  It's not a bad neighborhood, but there's this one homeless bag lady who always haunts the area.
23-05-27 23:24:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: She pushes her shopping cart full of garbage around, and stops to scream at the cracks in the sidewalk.  And there's a small coffee shop right across from me where she likes to park her cart of junk and then go lounge on one of the outdoor seats.
23-05-27 23:24:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Of course, the coffee shop owner is not happy about this, and since the police can't/won't do anything about it, she goes out and screams at her to GTFO.
23-05-27 23:25:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: So far, the end result has been the bag lady collecting her crap and shuffling off down the street after a few minutes of yelling back and forth.
23-05-27 23:25:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: But one of these days, one of them will probably snap.
23-05-27 23:28:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If it were my coffee shop, I'd probably point my ancient WWII Beretta at her and tell her if she comes back, I'd feel threatened and shoot her knee caps in self defense.  I'm sure the nail salon and massage parlor down the block would agree that it was self defense and the bag lady had been reported as aggressive many times in the past. :)
23-05-27 23:30:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: massage parlor? Happy ending much?
23-05-27 23:31:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: pre-2023 by a few decades, everyone carried around weapons and nobody cared unless they actually used those weapons on someone else
23-05-27 23:31:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I dunno, probably.  I think it's mostly Korean girls working there.  I don't make good money, or have health insurance that covers such things, so I've never been there yet.
23-05-27 23:32:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: korean are fun :P
23-05-27 23:40:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: %^B_YELLOW%^-->%^B_BLACK%^ %^B_WHITE%^[*****] BUG: buffer overflow past size 65536%^B_BLACK%^
23-05-27 23:41:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: wheee
23-05-27 23:42:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: --> [*****] BUG: buffer overflow past size 65536
23-05-27 23:42:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: Segmentation fault (core dumped)
23-05-27 23:42:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: You probably should not be spewing error messages to THIS channel, as it's easy to just make your own channel for your MUD if you want. :)
23-05-27 23:44:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: That said, you need to work on how to buffer in chunks.  No real reason to need 64K strings.  Even my lazy old MUD has #define MAX_STRING_LENGTH 16384
23-05-27 23:45:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: mine is 49152, i never understood where that came from, or cared enough to look into why that is
23-05-27 23:46:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: For reference an entire 132x50 screen where every single character has an ANSI escape sequence before it is only 52K.
23-05-27 23:47:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: 48K, the halfway step between 32768 and 65536.
23-05-27 23:47:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Most MUD pagers try to buffer the entire output as one big string, which is failure mode.
23-05-27 23:48:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I rewrote mine long ago so it breaks the output into a list of lines which get allocated (strdup) and then freed after the paging operation is done.
23-05-27 23:49:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: C strings are a pain. i've had thoughts of replacing them all with C++ strings, but that seems like too much work
23-05-27 23:49:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: So instead of trying to keep a string pointer into a too-large string, you keep a row pointer into an array and when it hits the end, you can free the whole lot.
23-05-27 23:50:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: By their nature, MUDs are line based anyways, the only oddball thing is the prompt, and that's almost always handled separately from any other output anyways.
23-05-27 23:53:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: https://github.com/quixadhal/wileymud/blob/master/src/modify.c#L601
23-05-28 00:51:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: that was from buffer_string lol
23-05-28 01:17:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: sprintf(buf, "\n\rPage %d/%d\n\r", page, max_pages)
23-05-28 01:17:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: i smart! i figured it out!! :P
23-05-28 01:18:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: nm... i take that back.... :P
23-05-28 01:41:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Never use sprintf().
23-05-28 01:41:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Always use snprintf(), unless you enjoy segmentation faults and corruption from buffer overflows.
23-05-28 01:47:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: i love em!
23-05-28 01:47:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: snprintf isnt formated well.... cprintf is :P
23-05-28 01:49:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: cprintf() and dcprintf() -- as my MUD defines them -- output to the character or descriptor, and as such they have underlying calls to snprintf() which avoids buffer overflows.
23-05-28 01:50:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: snprintf() is simply a length-limited version of sprintf() that will stop output when it hits the provided length, rather than just plowing over whatever other variables or code happen to be past the end of the string buffer.
23-05-28 01:51:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I also made an "scprintf()" which appends to an existing string buffer, also limited by length, for cases where you were building up a string by small bits and didn't want to do the math on every line after the first one.
23-05-28 01:52:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: so if you were to look up objects on your mud, theres a lot with the name... it dont overflow, or it stops displaying if you have too many?
23-05-28 01:54:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: You mean like this?
23-05-28 01:54:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: https://tinyurl.com/2lzrntm6
23-05-28 01:55:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: The third call had to invoke the pager, since there were more than 20-ish lines, it went on for a few pages.
23-05-28 01:56:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: you do that in shell though :O
23-05-28 01:56:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: No, I don't.
23-05-28 01:57:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: There is no shell.  I only use tinyfugue so I can edit what I type, but the paging would happen the same in raw telnet.
23-05-28 01:57:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: oh...
23-05-28 01:58:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I already linked send_to_pager() which is what appends data to an output buffer of lines, rather than one big ass string.
23-05-28 01:59:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: When output gets flushed to the socket, it just checks to see if there are more than screenlength lines, and if so, it stops outputting at that many and sets the prompt to say 'hit return for more or q to quit'
23-05-28 01:59:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If there isn't enough to need more than one page, it just sends them all and carries on normally.
23-05-28 02:00:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: yea. im just trying to get paging added. i got it working for one part now but the actual level part it isnt giving the last part right
23-05-28 02:01:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: That's why you should be doing it at a lower level, rather than for each thing individually. :)
23-05-28 02:01:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: ex. i do owhere 101 sword 2 it'll display swords on page 2 since it has. but olevel 101 2 .. its giving me invalid page... it has to be something simple im missing
23-05-28 02:02:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: The other end of this is in comm.c https://github.com/quixadhal/wileymud/blob/master/src/comm.c#L603
23-05-28 02:07:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It's OK though.  I did a lot of dumb things when I started with this codebase back in 1995 too.  There are lots of things I'd redo differently if I had players and cared, but to be honest it'd be more fun to just rewrite the whole thing in python.
23-05-28 02:09:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It does have the advantage of being pretty stable since it's been debugging on everything from a Sun 3/80 to Sparcstations to OpenBSD to the current Linux box.
23-05-28 02:15:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: olevel 1 book Page 1/2  olevel 1 book 2 Page 2/2
23-05-28 02:15:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: Thats how it should work.. and it does for that. but olevel 101 2 isnt... lol... chatgpt isnt being helpful right now :(
23-05-28 02:21:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cratylus (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: watched the new d&d movie. it isnt terrible
23-05-28 02:22:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: its kinda funny
23-05-28 02:22:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: they talk bout waterdeep in there which is mud i play on / play with lmfao
23-05-28 04:31:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: I liked the DnD movie.
23-05-28 04:31:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: https://tinyurl.com/2e47dvhs
23-05-28 04:34:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: I like that the 80s cartoon party makes a cameo in the movie.
23-05-28 11:28:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: anyone play this back in the day? https://dosgames.com/game/castle-adventure/
23-05-28 11:48:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: DOS was for chumps.
23-05-28 11:48:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVlqiqIg94w
23-05-28 11:50:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: This was also the first game I broke the copy protection on (myself), and then wanted to learn assembly.
23-05-28 11:51:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It was super primative... it was all in BASIC except for the sound routines, that were in assembly, and the copy protection.... which was called as an assebmly routine and then the values were checked in the BASIC code via peek().
23-05-28 11:52:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: So obviously, you could just edit the BASIC to not do that check, or poke the correct values in just to be on the safe side. :)
23-05-28 13:04:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: damn, you are good
23-05-28 13:05:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: aside that own ass licking, is fun to hear how things were and were done at that time
23-05-28 13:06:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: i started programming in basic, so was fun to hear
23-05-28 14:42:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: https://github.com/Deathslayer555/olevel.git  if anyone wanna take peek, tell me where I screwed up on there... olevel 101 2 ain't working but olevel 1 book 2 will display page 2 for argument
23-05-28 18:38:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: https://github.com/Deathslayer555/olevel/issues/1#issue-1729500153 i think i did wrong link... i never really did githup stuff so im learning it now too
23-05-28 19:40:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: https://github.com/Deathslayer555/olevel/issues/1#issue-1729500153 i think i did wrong link... i never really did githup stuff so im learning it now too
23-05-28 19:40:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: opps
23-05-28 21:54:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: You aren't parsing arguments properly.  Trying printing them out so you can see what you're getting.
23-05-28 21:55:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Basically, you shouldn't be calling one_argument() a fixed number of times unless you have a fixed number of arguments for the command usage.
23-05-28 22:01:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: In more detail, one_argument "eats" a whitespace-delimited "word" and stuffs it into the provided variable, and then returns the spot after that "word" as the result.
23-05-28 22:02:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: So, if you pass in "olevel 101 2", you will get "101" in level, and "2" in name, and argument will be pointing at the terminating NUL byte.
23-05-28 22:03:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: What you probably need to do is check to see what "level" really is and then adjust accordingly.
23-05-28 22:19:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: In short, map out your practical use cases and then check arguments accordingly.
23-05-28 22:20:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: olevel    is your template, right?
23-05-28 22:20:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: And you can have all three arguments, or just the level and page, or the name and page, or just the level, or just the name.
23-05-28 22:21:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Assuming you have no objects whose name can resolve as a number, you need to check each one to see what it is and then (maybe) pluck more based on that.
23-05-28 22:40:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If you DO have objects that can resolve as numbers, then you still need to do that, but you can't rely on "atoi()" to do it for you.
23-05-28 22:40:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: atoi("2beers") would return 2, for example.
23-05-28 23:48:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: Tijer pointed me in path i needed. its somewhat there now. just gotta fine tune it to finish it now
23-05-28 23:55:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I have to admit I'm a bit confused why you're pre-paging stuff that you then send to the pager, but I figured you had your reasons.
23-05-28 23:57:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: cause its a lot to display hehe
23-05-28 23:58:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: But... the whole point of the pager is to break things up into chunks FOR you, so you don't have to do all that by hand for every single thing that might output more than one screenful of data.
23-05-29 00:56:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: anyone on a Grapevine-connected game that could test a tell command for me?
23-05-29 00:58:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: sadly Iberia doesn't support Grapevine tells so I can't test it with any I3 folks
23-05-29 01:23:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: https://github.com/Deathslayer555/olevel/issues/1#issue-1729500153
23-05-29 03:16:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Try this, might not compile but it's another way to go about what you seemed to be trying to do...
23-05-29 03:16:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: https://pastebin.com/GXpXJfmY
23-05-29 03:19:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: supprisingly it compiled.. but the level part still not working right... the second part works
23-05-29 03:20:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Morris the Moose@Mongoose: my second part doesn't work anymore.
23-05-29 03:20:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: stone knives and bear skins.
23-05-29 03:20:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: Something is jamming it somewhere :(
23-05-29 03:21:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Morris the Moose@Mongoose: hammit!
23-05-29 03:21:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Your syntax is command   , where either level or name has to be present, and page is optional.
23-05-29 03:21:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: So, if you get 3 arguments, they have to be level, name, page, in that order.
23-05-29 03:21:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If you only have 2 arguments, if both are numbers, it must be level and page.
23-05-29 03:22:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: yea. its saying nothing like that found
23-05-29 03:22:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If the first one is a number and the second one is a string, it must be the level and name.
23-05-29 03:22:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If the first one is a string and the second is a number, it must be name and page.
23-05-29 03:23:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If you only get one argument, it has to be either level or name, based on it being a number or not.
23-05-29 03:23:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I still don't see why you're doing this, as your MUD already has a page_to_char() function which shoudl already be handling the paging aspect of things.
23-05-29 03:24:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: it loves to give buffer_overflow
23-05-29 03:25:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: In DikuMUDs, unless yours is radically different from every other one I've seen, successive calls to page_to_char() append their strings to what's already there, and the MUD itself decides when to switch to a page prompt.
23-05-29 03:26:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: There's no multi-threading, so anything sent via page_to_char() gets buffered until the game loop kicks around to actually send output.
23-05-29 03:26:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Morris the Moose@Mongoose: buffering
23-05-29 03:27:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: So, if you're getting a buffer overflow... it's either in your local code because you think you canonly call page_to_char() ONCE and are trying to send it a gigantic string -- which is not how it works.
23-05-29 03:27:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: OR there's a long-standing bug in your pager code that should be fixed.
23-05-29 03:27:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: or thise codebase is stupid as shit like Tijer said :P
23-05-29 03:28:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Mine is older, so I find it hard to believe you made negative progress in things like this.
23-05-29 03:28:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: considering its been coded by several different people over 20 years lol
23-05-29 03:28:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Yes, but it's a derivative of mine.
23-05-29 03:29:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Mine is based on DikuMUD Alfa.  Your MUD is something newer, as it has color codes that look lke a ROM or something of that ilk.
23-05-29 03:29:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: its rot heh
23-05-29 03:30:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I don't remember the hierarchy anymore, but ROT is at least two generations down the tree from Diku.
23-05-29 03:30:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Envy and Merc fit into there somewhere, but I don't recall if they were parallel to ROM or around it soemwhere.
23-05-29 03:31:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: i think i see why people do weed when coding lol
23-05-29 03:31:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: I use vodka like a normal person.
23-05-29 03:31:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Anyways, you should add some debug statments to the mess I pasted so you can see if it's getting the arguments right or not.
23-05-29 03:32:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: lol
23-05-29 03:32:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If it is, then the mess under it is the problem.
23-05-29 03:32:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If not, then do the same for your one_argument() mess. :)
23-05-29 03:33:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: You SHOULD be able to just build up your paged output by calling page_to_char() for each line of output, rather than building up some big string and trying to only do part of it at a time by hand.
23-05-29 03:33:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If you can't... spend your time fixing the page_to_char() system instead. :)
23-05-29 03:33:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: or just make it... if theres over 100 items... it just slays the person instead
23-05-29 03:34:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Or go download CoffeeMUD and stop stabbing yourself with the mallocs.
23-05-29 03:35:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I'll be nice... get a nice python MUD.  I don't want anyone to suffer with a java based MUD. :)
23-05-29 03:36:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: think it just did it... lol
23-05-29 03:46:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: Nice.
23-05-29 03:47:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Morris the Moose@Mongoose: Hey, Duuk, you wanna join our chill sesh? The more, the merrier, man.
23-05-29 03:54:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Ooooo, I got extra fancy when I rewrote my command to show stuff, 20 years ago. :)
23-05-29 03:54:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: https://github.com/quixadhal/wileymud/blob/master/src/act_wiz.c#L3200
23-05-29 03:55:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I allocated my own dynamic string, which eventually gets sent to the player via the pager.
23-05-29 03:55:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: Busy playing City of Heroes
23-05-29 03:56:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: How are the 17 other people who can't let go of that game doing? ;)
23-05-29 03:57:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: City of Hereos was probaby my favorite MMO, but I'll never play it on a private server... as I know myself, and I know that if I got bored of it someday, I'd just leave the server run until it rebooted or crashed and you'd be unable to play for months, if ever again. :)
23-05-29 03:57:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: And I'm sure most people who run private servers are not that different.
23-05-29 03:58:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: Homecoming is a public server maintained by donations.  It's a whole thing.
23-05-29 03:59:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Yep, and still run by one or a few people who may someday get bored of it, or face another round of lawyers, or get run over by a bus.
23-05-29 03:59:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: mmmm Well got it but my lowest vnums are on end pages... lol
23-05-29 04:00:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: https://github.com/Deathslayer555/olevel/issues/1#issue-1729500153
23-05-29 04:01:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: i didn't use your code since i couldn't make much of it with my inexperienced self :PO
23-05-29 04:01:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Geez, I even put comments all over it, which I'd normally never bother with. :)
23-05-29 04:02:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Most of the if() statement bodies did nothing but were comments to explain what happened, as sscanf() was doing all the work.
23-05-29 04:02:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: well it didnt function 100% anyhow! :(
23-05-29 04:02:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Not surprising.  It's for your codebase, so I have no real way to test it. :)
23-05-29 04:05:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: But go back over it and read it... you'll learn something.  sscanf() is the input equivalent of sprintf(), and the whole point of it is to pick apart strings in a semi-intelligent way when you mostly know what SHOULD be there.
23-05-29 04:05:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Personally, I'd have preferred to use regular expessions, but... C code.  I doubt you have a regular expression library linked in.
23-05-29 04:05:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: you'd be suprised :P
23-05-29 04:09:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: $argument =~ s/(?:(\d+)\s+)?(?:(\w+)\s+)?(\d+)?/gmix; my ($level, $name, $page) = ($1, $2, $3); would have been much simpler.
23-05-29 04:10:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: java? :O
23-05-29 04:10:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: perl
23-05-29 04:10:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: lol. looks like mushclients code :P
23-05-29 04:10:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: the preg library would get 95% of that right in C too.
23-05-29 04:11:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Of course fixing your pager would eliminate the entire mess.
23-05-29 04:12:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Then you'd just have 1 or 2 arguments, being level, name or both and not have to care about the rest, since your MUD's output system would handle it.
23-05-29 04:12:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: i think it happened cause the char buf was under max input instead of max string length
23-05-29 04:13:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: That's a band-aid, not a solution. :)
23-05-29 04:13:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: On modern hardware, you could just make every string be 20MB large and not run into any issues very often.
23-05-29 04:16:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: ok.. it was working.. now it aint :(
23-05-29 04:16:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I dunno what you run your antique on.  Mine is on a 12 year old $300 server with 16G of RAM that's sitting on a shelf in the corner of the room.
23-05-29 04:17:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: My game seems to have 4300 rooms, 3543 objects, and 2458 mobiles at the moment
23-05-29 04:18:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: So about 10K thingies, and it's using 167MB of RAM.
23-05-29 04:20:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: MAX_STRING_LENGTH is 16K, so if I were to bump that to 256K, it'd probably make the game use about 4GB of RAM, most of which would be empty pages that the OS would swap out.
23-05-29 04:21:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Still less than your web browser if you have a couple tabs open and a youtube video playing. :)
23-05-29 04:23:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: https://tinyurl.com/2hthuy3h
23-05-29 04:25:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It's a shame I didn't know more 25 years ago when I seriously considered rewriting the whole thing in something that wasn't C.
23-05-29 04:26:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It'd probably be pretty fun to work on if the code were something sane like python, and all the data were stored in a database via an ORM so you could edit things on the fly by tweaking the database itself.
23-05-29 04:29:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Pesky players leveling too fast in the ogre caves?  update mobs set xp = xp * 0.9 where zoen_id = 19;
23-05-29 04:29:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Problem solved.
23-05-29 04:29:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Q@Mongoose: Deflationary experience!
23-05-29 04:31:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If you were really lazy/clever, you could write code that would do such analysis itself, and aim for a given leveling rate, tweaking the XP of things by small amounts every day to keep those players in their proper lanes.
23-05-29 04:31:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Q@Mongoose: 'Progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things.'
23-05-29 04:34:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: Q@Mongoose, did you receive my tell via Grapevine? I'm testing some new code
23-05-29 04:34:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Q@Mongoose: Blizzard@WoP I haven't implemented grapevine tells yet, but I just added that to the todo sorry!!!!
23-05-29 04:35:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: no problem :) if you need anyone to test, I think I have working code haha
23-05-29 04:40:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Q@Mongoose: Now will receive tells!
23-05-29 04:42:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: get off the vine!
23-05-29 04:47:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: You don't need tells if you have a proper MUD with only 1 player. :)
23-05-29 04:52:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: i tell myself a lot of stuff... but i dont listen!
23-05-29 04:53:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: players are those things that make the mud crash, so having them in minimal quantities promotes higher game  uptime
23-05-29 04:53:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I just spout things here so I can look them up on the log page later.
23-05-29 04:53:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: lol but without them you cant debug and make it more stable!
23-05-29 04:53:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Write some bots.
23-05-29 04:54:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: why? i could just load all the best gear around, give myself unlimited money, quest, etc lol
23-05-29 04:56:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: $room_desc =~ s/A (.*?) is here/; send_command("kill " . $1);
23-05-29 04:56:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: and if nothing is there, randomly go through an exist.
23-05-29 04:56:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: 99% accuarate player simulation.
23-05-29 04:56:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: randomly teleport
23-05-29 04:57:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If the bot dies, it should yell "Stupid game cheats!" and log off... and then log back in 5 minutes later.
23-05-29 04:58:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: and then start spamming all global channels!
23-05-29 07:28:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Cron (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I3 Activity on 2023-05-28: 191 messages from 9 speakers.  Logs and MUD-list at http://wileymud.themud.org/log/?noscroll&date=2023-05-28
23-05-29 07:28:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMXXL8ka7eU
23-05-29 13:06:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Here's an idea.  Maybe the government should have to use credit the same way the rest of us do?  That is, have the amount they can spend approved BEFORE they spend it?
23-05-29 13:07:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Clearly, since we have a "debt ceiling crisis" every single year now, the whole concept isn't working.
23-05-29 13:23:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: hey quick you old guy
23-05-29 13:23:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: you are old
23-05-29 13:23:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: so maybe you know, what should i take for the pain in my hands?
23-05-29 13:24:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: also Q have you seen 'Evennia'?  it's a python 'driver'
23-05-29 13:26:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: a challenge
23-05-29 13:26:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: we pick a random mud we have never played, and we have to bot them
23-05-29 13:26:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but we can never login other than our bots.
23-05-29 14:44:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: The OMG Fact of Memorial Day: Eighty-five percent of American shopper go to the right when entering a store.
23-05-29 14:45:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Except when I enter Target & CVS.  It seems all of those near me have entrances on the right side so you go either straight or to the left.
23-05-29 15:17:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: lol. that'd be interesting
23-05-29 16:08:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: how do you unpack tar.bz2 again? i forgot
23-05-29 16:08:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: isn't it `tar -xf `
23-05-29 16:09:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: might need to add 'z' to the parameters
23-05-29 16:09:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: think that actually did it. i usually use tar xvzf but it was giving issues with the bz2
23-05-29 16:10:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I don't bother with 'v' since it's just verbose mode.  'z' indicates the compression method, IIRC, but I'm not a Linux person so don't remember.
23-05-29 16:24:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Tsath (Space MUD in I3)@Iberia: I use xvzf to see what pops out
23-05-29 16:27:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Ibuprofen.  Anti-inflammatory.  Just don't take too much or you'll get nose bleeds and ulcers.
23-05-29 16:27:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: This is interesting... `#include` and `inherit` can occur after all your code.
23-05-29 16:27:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: lol
23-05-29 16:28:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: They can, but you should never do that... ever... :)
23-05-29 16:29:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I agree, but it did throw an interesting wrench in the processing of an LPC file.
23-05-29 16:29:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: #include is a textual insertion of a file into your code, so you almost always want to do it first so your own local things can override it.
23-05-29 16:29:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I'll just fail it if we encounter a preprocessor or inherit directive prior to code.
23-05-29 16:29:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I mean after the code
23-05-29 16:30:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Sometimes it's good to define things first and let the #include override it... but only if you know what you're doing.
23-05-29 16:30:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Honestly, that's likely never good. :)
23-05-29 16:31:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It depends how trickly LPC lets you get in pre-processing.
23-05-29 16:31:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It has #define right?  Probably not #ifdef though?
23-05-29 16:31:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: If you're doing that, then you should probably switch from LPC to something else
23-05-29 16:33:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: You can always just replace #include "foo" with actually inserting the full contents of foo in place, since that's what the pre-processor actually does.
23-05-29 16:34:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: No, because the value of `#include` is that it's a single place to change things and have them apply everywhere.
23-05-29 16:34:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I can convert these to JS with an export of constants that are then referenced in the file.
23-05-29 16:35:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Are you writing a transpiler or a converter?
23-05-29 16:35:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: what's the difference?
23-05-29 16:35:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Technically, it's transpiling and writing a JS file.
23-05-29 16:36:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: A transpiler doesn't aim to generate pretty human-consumable code.. just to make code that the target language/compiler can use.
23-05-29 16:36:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Converter then.
23-05-29 16:36:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I'm trying to convert into 'reasonable' representation of LPC in JS
23-05-29 16:36:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: comments included.
23-05-29 16:37:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: For a converter, don't worry so much about it working then... since a human is expected to go tweak it.  You just need to get it 90% of the way there to remove the tedium part of the process.
23-05-29 16:38:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I've made progress and then realized that I'm writing so much redundant code and tore that part out and re-doing the translation part again.  It's actually going well.
23-05-29 16:38:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: f2c was the classic example.... and there's a c-to-python one too.
23-05-29 16:39:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: p2c, but nobody remembers pascal. :)
23-05-29 16:40:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: The plus side is that you expect the user to be fluent in the target language (javascript, in this case) so what you're mostly doing is saving them the trouble of doing 90% of the syntax changes.
23-05-29 17:20:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: So... this olevel crap... it seems to hate extra arguments for page
23-05-29 17:55:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Fix your pager and stop making the end user supply a "page number" when you already have a pager built into your game driver. :)
23-05-29 17:57:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Heck, depending on which pager your dikurivative implements, it may even do TELNET NAWS negotiation and auto-adjust the page size based on your terminal size.
23-05-29 18:00:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I wonder if mine does that... I think I remember implementing NAWS, but I don't remember if I ever used it for anything. :)
23-05-29 18:04:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: example implementation of NAWS on line 1905 here: https://github.com/halimcme/worldofpain/blob/master/protocol.cpp
23-05-29 18:05:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Yep, alrady have that part, just looking to see if I ever use it, other than in do_score().
23-05-29 18:05:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: "Your terminal is set as 86 columns by 41 rows."
23-05-29 18:06:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: The answer is no, but it's an easy fix :)
23-05-29 18:07:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: int page_size = d->telnet.rows || 23;
23-05-29 18:07:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: i use it to wrap all room description text to that width, and the height for commands using paging
23-05-29 18:08:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I don't wrap descriptions.  I considered it, but frankly if you have a terminal wider than about 100 columns, it makes things look dumb.
23-05-29 18:09:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Having the room description sprawl out across 2 lines just looks... thin.  We always tried to write descriptions so they were a nice fit for what you'd read on the old 80x24 terminals.
23-05-29 18:10:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: i also added a flag for rooms called noformat which preserves the original formatting of the description where needed
23-05-29 18:10:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Of course, if your game didn't write things for that environment, it probably works fine. :)
23-05-29 18:11:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: But in 1993, the vast majority of our players were either on a vt220 in the computer labs, or on a dialup from home that was also probably 80x25.
23-05-29 18:11:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: half the descriptions were written by kids in the 90s who barely understood proper grammar haha
23-05-29 18:12:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: At least we used TWO SPACES between sentences. :)
23-05-29 18:14:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I consider it a sign of the terror the future holds that so many idiots think all whitespace is the same, that official grammar rules have changed to allow one space to be considered correct.
23-05-29 18:14:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Idiocracy was supposed to be an entertaining movie, not a handbook to base civilization upon.
23-05-29 18:14:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: Gatorade: It's what plants crave.  It has electrolytes!
23-05-29 18:15:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: you mean Brawndo!
23-05-29 18:16:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: 1984 wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual either
23-05-29 18:16:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I hate it when compilers get too snooty for their own good.
23-05-29 18:17:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I had to rewrite a perfectly good || expression because the compiler whines about it.
23-05-29 18:17:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: int page_size = d->telnet.rows ? d->telnet.rows : 23;
23-05-29 18:18:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: its good to implement sanity checks for NAWS cause some clients report it incorrectly, i forget which
23-05-29 18:18:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I know the C langauge, and rows || 23 yields the value 23 if rows is 0.... so no compiler, I did NOT mean to do a bitwise or, despite it being a constant.
23-05-29 18:19:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: but having a screen wrapped at 0 characters or 0 lines in screen length tends to provide a rather poor player experience
23-05-29 18:19:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Do you know the C language?
23-05-29 18:20:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: int page_size = d->telnet.rows || 23; will never set page_size to 0.
23-05-29 18:21:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: i know of it, wouldn't claim to know all of it, haha. true it won't.
23-05-29 18:22:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Compiler treating me like I don't know the language.  I'm older than the compiler.
23-05-29 18:22:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I've been writing C code since the mid 1980's.  I don't think clang existed back then. :)
23-05-29 18:24:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: You don't really appreciate C until you've had the joy of having to swap floppy disks between compiling and linking stages.
23-05-29 18:25:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Morris the Moose@Mongoose: ok grandpa, time for your pills
23-05-29 18:25:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: how does this guy keep escaping the home?
23-05-29 18:25:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Oooooo, more opioids?  Yay!
23-05-29 18:25:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: enjoy delicious fentanyl until you die
23-05-29 18:26:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: it'll make the bedsores of neglect seem less painful
23-05-29 18:26:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Do we have a good bot framework for abusing muds?
23-05-29 18:26:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: easy enough
23-05-29 18:27:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I remember going to write one in perl ages ago and being annoyed that there were lots of telnet server modules, but very few client ones.
23-05-29 18:27:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Not that most muds actually do telnet... most are just raw tcp sockets and you have to spot the prompt. :)
23-05-29 18:29:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: WileyMUD might be a good testbed for bot code... it's old and doesn't make things easy with nice colors or room exit lists.
23-05-29 18:29:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It would be kinda fun to do though.
23-05-29 18:30:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: deploy the LLM of your choice and set it to kill
23-05-29 18:30:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: i've always wondered why muds don't try to implement graphical text-based style menus like ncurses does, like is that lack of protocol support or what? might be a good thing to ask chatgpt
23-05-29 18:30:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I mean, writing a bot that levels effectively is like the old corewars or crobots games, and it might annoy actual players if they see this new guy ploughing through stuff they're struggling with.
23-05-29 18:31:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: "You are an agent of the Stasi engaging is Zersetung or whatever
23-05-29 18:31:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Actually, I can asnwer that Blizzard. :)
23-05-29 18:32:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I'm sure you've noticed that when you log into a unix machine, you get a nice interactive terminal shell that you can use for editors, curses games, etc...
23-05-29 18:32:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: just something telnet can't really support i'm guessing
23-05-29 18:32:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: But to DO that, it has to allocate a pty and bind the socket I/O to it, which is somewhat ugly code that usually ends up using threads or forking.
23-05-29 18:33:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Most MUDs were written by drunk college kids who had trouble with linked lists.
23-05-29 18:35:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If you telnet to alt.org, you can see an example of making that happen, using dgamelaunch.... but trying to make that work on a MUD would be a pretty huge effort.
23-05-29 18:36:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Back before Crat pooped the buffet... I mean, let his forums die... I had a long discussion on an idea for an "inside out" MUD.
23-05-29 18:37:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: That is, a machine dedicated to being a MUD server, and a customized version of /bin/bash that would show messages delivers by the game driver... and all the commands could then actually be real commands in your path.
23-05-29 18:37:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: So you could write things in bash, perl, C, whatever.
23-05-29 18:38:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Q@Mongoose: https://joeyh.name/code/mooix/
23-05-29 18:38:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: interesting concept
23-05-29 18:38:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I figured bash already handles the termcap and tty stuff nicely, so it's just a matter of finding out how to let the server deliver content for it to display.
23-05-29 18:38:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: bash, however, is not very nice code to look at.
23-05-29 18:39:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: The C code that implements bash, that is... not the shell scripts themselves. :)
23-05-29 18:40:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It was a good idea that would have been fine in 2000.... but these days, might as well just write your game server in python and use a websocket client... much easier and you can have actual graphics if you want.
23-05-29 18:41:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Of course, having your own custom javascript client taht runs in a browser OR a shell, would be fine too.
23-05-29 18:42:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: There used to be vt100 emulators that ran in browser windows, so you could even use curses if there's a JS binding for it somewhere.
23-05-29 18:46:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: there is a program that translates graphical web pages to a terminal, i've used it to run Mudlet via a remote html5 session within a terminal. no practical use aside from proving it could be done
23-05-29 18:48:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I think you'd want to go the other way if you want people to actually play from either interface.
23-05-29 18:49:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Text is blocky, so having it generate from graphics... well.. you won't ever be able to read anything, but it looks cool to play quake that way.
23-05-29 18:51:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Blizzard@WoP: Mudlet is QT-based, hoping someday the html5 support in QT gets mature enough that it can be a browser-based app
23-05-29 18:52:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Tinyfugue forever!
23-05-29 19:42:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Chrnos (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: :R
23-05-29 19:44:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Icewolfz (ShadowMUD in I3)@Iberia: browser based app is already doable using websocket or you could go electron with nodejs for native sockets
23-05-29 22:00:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: -Werror
23-05-29 22:14:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: -Lerror
23-05-29 23:05:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: lol
23-05-29 23:06:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: apperently have -Werror in makefile and it'll stop on every damn warning you got around....
23-05-29 23:06:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: guess thats good for muds with no warnings lol
23-05-29 23:23:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Yep, which is WileyMUD.  Why would you want to ignore warnings?
23-05-29 23:24:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: Warnings are for nubs.
23-05-29 23:24:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Just stop being a lazy f and fix your code, then there won't be any warnings left. :)
23-05-29 23:28:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It's like cleaning the bathroom.  Nobody likes doing it... but if you don't, pretty soon the toilet needs scrubbing, the tub has mildew, the corners have mold, and the 5 minute annoyance you could have cleaned up a few times quickly has turned into a 3 day long pain.
23-05-29 23:29:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Don't let your code grow mold and stink.
23-05-29 23:30:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ceetar (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: alternatively it may only take 10 minutes to do the dishes every night, but it only takes 20 minutes to do them every three nights..
23-05-29 23:30:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Yep, but most DikuMUD people never do them... when you let them pile up for 20 years, new life forms evolve.
23-05-29 23:36:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: At least kids today have it easy.  You can google most errors and get a nice explaination of what it means and how to fix it.
23-05-29 23:36:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Not like the old days when the compiler would just guess about line numbers, and you mostly just tried to grep the man page for the error and prayed.
23-05-29 23:40:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: clang even shows you were ON the line the error was, like most modern compilers.... unlike gcc.
23-05-29 23:41:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ceetar (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: unless it's microsoft, and then they're just like "unknown error. 500.3.3. get fucked"
23-05-29 23:46:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Error Code 23124414.312312.5.
23-05-29 23:54:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: So, Elwood has to fix his pager and all the warnings before the summer pipe-weed festival in the Shire, right?
23-05-29 23:55:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: haha. Well i got the page thing fixed... had to do another command for name with paging since that was conflicting... but that was from drm1.3 codebase i downloaded
23-05-29 23:59:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: DRM is evil.  It makes games perform poorly and doesn't stop piracy.
23-05-30 00:06:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: whats that mean? lol
23-05-30 00:19:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: He's making a joke because you said "DRM", which means copy protection in the online video game market.
23-05-30 00:26:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Also DVD's, blu-ray discs, console games, netflix, etc... "digital rights management"
23-05-30 00:44:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: Jokes that you have to explain are teh best kind of jokes.
23-05-30 01:10:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: lol. well i dunno.. it was on mudbytes
23-05-30 02:00:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: mudbytes still exists?
23-05-30 02:05:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I also have these dusty old tomes... http://wileymud.themud.org/mirror/
23-05-30 02:08:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I think I was going to mirror mudbytes at one point too, but then they made their site dumb and did everything by keywords instead of in a nice organied tree structure... thus making it annoying to find anything, and impossible to browse to see what's there.
23-05-30 02:13:56: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Oh look at this lovely code.  First there's this variable declaration:
23-05-30 02:14:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: `private string Door = 0;`
23-05-30 02:14:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: "private" already seems horrible. :)
23-05-30 02:14:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Then there's this statement later: `return Door->CanClose(this_player());`
23-05-30 02:15:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: So this goes back to the statement you man, Q, that LPC doesn't do type checking.
23-05-30 02:15:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: See?  That's why you should just use mixed for everything.  Those pesky types always just cause problems.
23-05-30 02:16:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Oddly enough, I thought it did at some point.  Must have stopped after enough people just butchered their mudlib to the point where it was just useless to type-check anything.
23-05-30 02:32:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It would be different if the LPC driver actually enforced type checking, and didn't do the weird "types stick to values" thing.
23-05-30 02:57:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Hehehehe, first step in porting ancient software to 2023.... #error "GCC no longer implements ."
23-05-30 03:08:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i think i'm gonna survive until lisp's 100th birthday
23-05-30 03:12:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Remember to open and close a paren for every (c(a(n(d(l(e)))))).
23-05-30 05:31:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: should open all .c files and run for the hills!
23-05-30 11:09:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: The OMG Fact of the day: Chocolate is proven to cause arousal similar to sexual foreplay.
23-05-30 11:53:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: And you guys wonder why I keep saying time zones are EVIL...
23-05-30 11:53:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: https://tinyurl.com/2m2jujg6
23-05-30 16:01:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: if (sscanf(arg, "%d %s", &num_clones, obj_name) != 2)
23-05-30 16:01:59: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: lookie! scanf being used again! lol
23-05-30 16:16:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: looks ripe for overflow
23-05-30 16:17:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: yummy. i love overflows! :P
23-05-30 16:17:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: nah, its for cloning stuff so should be alright
23-05-30 16:17:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: is it LPC or C code and is it user input?
23-05-30 16:17:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i mean, does the compiler protect you from that shit these days?
23-05-30 16:17:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: with nx bits and shit
23-05-30 16:18:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: not really but its C code and user input
23-05-30 16:19:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: not like my previous projects where itd overflow buffer, but mud didnt crash. it just dumped error message in game, stopped the buffer lol
23-05-30 16:24:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: woo. 200 more qps and i can buy another quest item! :P
23-05-30 16:24:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: You clone 50 a bright ball of %^B_YELLOW%^light%^B_BLACK%^.
23-05-30 16:25:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: You clone 100 Hogan. ... We got a lot of hogans!
23-05-30 21:07:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Here's a few examples of the output for the LPC to JS conversion: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1r55QonPBScsWFytPloqiWLTtFPpTyAIR?usp=sharing
23-05-30 21:08:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: None of the files are supposed to actually work, they are just valid LPC files (in source/) and valid JS files (in dest/)
23-05-30 21:08:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: More work is needed, but it's at least halfway there.
23-05-30 23:50:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I got the #define with the odd LPC string concatenation working as well.  I may add something to the grammar that will convert the `#ifndef NAME\n#define NAME....#endif` into a better JS block in the future.
23-05-30 23:54:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Next is to address 'inherit'.
23-05-31 00:15:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Well, sscanf() is safer than sprintf(), because you know the upper bound.  If you're dumb enough to not check strlen(arg) before you try to stuff it into obj_name, that's your fault. :)
23-05-31 00:23:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Interesting, there is now a modifier for sscanf() to dynamically allocate space for the target strings.
23-05-31 00:24:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: So you can do sscanf(foo, "%d %ms", &num, thingy); and just have thingy be a char *, which you'll need to remember to free if it works.  I assume it leaves the pointer alone if it doesn't match that far, so you can check for NULL.  You did remember to set it to NULL first, right?
23-05-31 00:25:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Probably won't work if you use --std=C99, as I'm sure it was added later. :)
23-05-31 07:21:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: shrug
23-05-31 07:21:20: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: busy days
23-05-31 07:21:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: unable to keep up with you, guys
23-05-31 07:21:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: I hope all is well here
23-05-31 07:29:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: Nothing but ducks and roses, Vir.
23-05-31 08:27:14: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Vir, you moon faced assassin of joy...
23-05-31 12:01:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: The OMG Fact of the day: The cost of commercials during halftime at the Super Bowl could feed the entire world's refugee population of 62 million twice.
23-05-31 12:02:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: fuck them refugees
23-05-31 12:58:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: twice?
23-05-31 12:58:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: like two meals?
23-05-31 13:23:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Good question.  The way I read this is that you could feed (as in refuges have food to eat during their refuge status) twice as many as there currently are
23-05-31 13:43:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If all the refugees just bought guns, maybe they could take their own countries back instead of trying to take ours?
23-05-31 13:58:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I was waiting for the Q response that somehow turned an OMG Fact into something US-centric and political, as if the US is the only place where there are refugees.
23-05-31 14:38:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Not the only place, just the only place that matters.
23-05-31 14:43:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I may have to convert the LPC-to-JS transpiler from using a listener to a visitor.  In order to do some of the conversion, like `inherit LIB_ROOM` -> `import room from "/lib/room"`, I basically need to load the previously converted JS code.  This step is asynchronous and listeners are not.  But visitors can be.  Time to commit and branch...
23-05-31 14:47:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: You kids and your fancy buzzwords.
23-05-31 14:51:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If you're making a converter, not an interpreter, why would it matter?  It just means before you can finish the current file, you need to go call the converter again on the thing inherited so it's available later, when someone actually tries to run it.
23-05-31 14:52:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I mean, if you want to be inefficient, you can even just abort the current file to go do the pre-requisite and pick it up again on another pass.
23-05-31 14:53:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: At some point all the leaves will be available and you can do the stems they're attached to,and work your way down to the trunk.
23-05-31 15:06:05: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: in JS, you can't `import room from LIB_ROOM`.  You could do dynamic inherit (ie: `const room = inherit(LIB_ROOM);` but I don't know where LIB_ROOM is defined so I don't know where to import it from (ie: `import { LIB_ROOM } from "/include/lib.js"`}
23-05-31 15:06:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Right, but that's just another pass to expand symbols.
23-05-31 15:06:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: But where are the symbols?
23-05-31 15:06:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: LIB_ROOM is a #define somewhere in the LPC code.
23-05-31 15:07:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: right, which means that I need to load and evaluate that LPC code to get the string.
23-05-31 15:07:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: So you first collect up all the #defines to build a smbol table.
23-05-31 15:07:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: You don't need to "evaluate" anything.  Just read the text.
23-05-31 15:07:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: At which point, I'm just building an LPC interpreter and executor
23-05-31 15:07:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: A #define is not a variable... it can't change values.
23-05-31 15:08:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: No, but it can reference other defines, which is often the case
23-05-31 15:08:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It's a straight up text conversion that happens before compilation.
23-05-31 15:08:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Yes, you understand recursion and depth-first-searches right?
23-05-31 15:08:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: #define LIB_ROOM DIR_LIB "room"
23-05-31 15:09:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Yep, so no you know what LIB_ROOM is, and you check the other parts to see if they are also defines or not.
23-05-31 15:09:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: if I start going down that path, I might as well just leverage JS loading the converted file itself
23-05-31 15:09:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: This is not rocket science... just build a hash and whenever you find a new define, add the word as a key and then check the rest to see if they're also keys.
23-05-31 15:09:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: It's likely less code and validates conversion
23-05-31 15:10:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Depends on your goal.  If you just want to run LPC code and keep people using LPC, then sure.
23-05-31 15:10:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If your goal is to get people to convert their 30 year old game to a modern language and stop using LPC, then you need to make it native JS code.
23-05-31 15:11:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: They're both perfectly valid goals, but not the same one. :)
23-05-31 15:12:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Out of idle curiosity, what happens if you call gcc -E on an LPC file?
23-05-31 15:14:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Heh, at first glance, it kinda does the right thing of expanding all the #defines for you.
23-05-31 15:16:09: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: And yes, it handles #include as well.
23-05-31 15:17:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/192713396716568576/1113486240428326994/image.png
23-05-31 15:17:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/192713396716568576/1113486312343883898/image.png
23-05-31 15:17:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: The source LPC files, followed by the output of gcc -E
23-05-31 15:18:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Obviously, gcc is a C compiler and won't understand inherit... but it expands #defines and embeds #includes for you.
23-05-31 15:29:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: it's very sympathetic of his part
23-05-31 15:30:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: nowadays, someone doing something for me always involves paying
23-05-31 15:31:07: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: let alone expanding or embedding
23-05-31 15:31:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Yeah, when you get old and fat, the chicks want to be paid up front... just hanging around and hoping you'll buy them stuff isn't good enough.
23-05-31 15:31:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: *grin*
23-05-31 15:32:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: kidding, or trying to, Q
23-05-31 15:33:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I was actually surprised gcc -E didn't complain about LPC code, but I guess it really is just doing straight-up text processing.
23-05-31 15:33:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Viriato@Iberia: i see a lot of Krem chitchat but no facts or the day
23-05-31 15:33:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: #include is just recursively plopping extra file contents into place where the #include lines are.
23-05-31 15:34:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: And #define is just texturally replacing those symbols with other stuff, also recursively.
23-05-31 16:30:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: the fact of the day was about refugees.  You probably filtered it out.
23-05-31 16:51:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Viriato is filtering me out?
23-05-31 18:01:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Tsath (Space MUD in I3)@Iberia: That would be insane.
23-05-31 18:36:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Tabasko@WoP: channel
23-05-31 18:37:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Duuk (Haven in I3)@Iberia: radio gaga
23-05-31 18:37:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Tsath (Space MUD in I3)@Iberia: I prefer Radio Freedom.
23-05-31 19:24:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: So apparently this is a thing: `#define DEBUG_SEND this_player()->eventPrint`... :(
23-05-31 19:25:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Tsath (Lima Rebean in I3)@Iberia: That gives me '*this_player() is obsolete.  Use this_body() or this_user() instead.'
23-05-31 19:26:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Same idea
23-05-31 19:26:32: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Tsath (Lima Rebean in I3)@Iberia: But yeah, not good practice
23-05-31 19:28:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: No, it's not.  Seems to be only a hack for debugging right now
23-05-31 19:29:33: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Tsath (Lima Rebean in I3)@Iberia: I have #define TELL_BUG(p,x) (tell_user(p,sprintf("%s: %O\n",__FILE__,(x))))
23-05-31 19:29:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Tsath (Lima Rebean in I3)@Iberia: And then #define TBUG(x) TELL_BUG("tsath",(x))
23-05-31 19:44:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: .PHONY: all update_compile_time clean
23-05-31 23:25:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: When your entire game had to fit in 8MB of RAM and you only had an 80x24 screen to work with, you played lots of games both to optimize usage and optimize screen space of the source :)
23-06-01 00:34:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Why don't we just abolish the "debt ceiling" entirely?  I'm really sick of seeing it take up weeks of news coverage every 6 months.
23-06-01 00:36:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If the government can just spend what it wants and then hold people's social security and federal job paychecks hostage until they agree to say it was OK to spend it... what's the benefit of having such a limit?
23-06-01 02:20:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: you just enumerated the benefit
23-06-01 03:18:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Sounds like a liability to me.  Why not just not have any debt ceiling so the government can do whatever it wants without needing to coerce anyone into agreeing with them?
23-06-01 03:19:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Like I said, the "debit ceiling" does not, in any way at all, stop them from spending the money.  It's just that after they already spent it, they have to tell congress to approve it or else the economy will collapse and their puppy will be kicked and the other party will take over.
23-06-01 08:56:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: "It seems to me, that now both parties compete to see who can be the most stupid, and they keep topping each other."
23-06-01 08:56:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AI332-By2U
23-06-01 10:35:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Tsath (Space MUD in I3)@Iberia: Currently watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iOiXxQUd7g
23-06-01 10:40:27: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: The OMG Fact of the day: The Pokemon 'Hitmonlee' and 'Hitmonchan' are based off of Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan.
23-06-01 10:40:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Tsath (Space MUD in I3)@Iberia: Seems to obvious when you say it :)
23-06-01 11:54:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Ceetar (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: what about Hitmontop and Tyrogue?
23-06-01 12:05:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: You'll have to ask Pokemon
23-06-01 12:26:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Elwood (Aadaria in I3)@Iberia: Gotta catch em all!
23-06-01 15:09:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Are they going to make it more like VS Code, which most people seem to like a LOT more than the Old Granddad Visual Studio?
23-06-01 15:19:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: We like VS Code much more for projects that are simpler to build/work with.  Generally single projects with straight forward build processes.  JS based projects, for example.  However, multi-project solutions still tend to work better with Visual Studio, as is the general development of C# projects.
23-06-01 15:20:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Also, I feel bad if the person shown at the top of that blog post grew up in the US with the name "Cherry Wang".  The schoolyard bullying must have been terrible.
23-06-01 15:21:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: What little they showed, I approve of... larger and cleaner defaults help my poor old eyes.  I can't even play some games anymore, as the use of tiny fonts with serifs just hurts.
23-06-01 15:28:45: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: generally, yes, but in some instances it pushes shit into scrolling or hamburger menus
23-06-01 15:29:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: scrolling hurts my hands
23-06-01 15:37:00: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: We should not be designing UI for old people like Stupid.
23-06-01 15:37:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: :P
23-06-01 15:37:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: You've had your time, let the young people have theirs.  Under 50 RULES
23-06-01 15:40:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I'm under 50 and my shit hurts
23-06-01 15:40:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and i'm too stubborn to get glasses
23-06-01 15:41:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: LOL, loser!  TWO-EYES!  HA-HA!
23-06-01 15:42:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I wish I'd had glasses sooner.  I only got them in Kindergarden... before that neither I nor my parents had any idea I had vision problems.
23-06-01 15:42:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: As a tiny child, if the world around you is blurry, how would you know that's not normal?
23-06-01 15:43:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: https://mastodon.social/@danluu/110453440827361538
23-06-01 15:43:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Is ChatGPT 4 free yet?
23-06-01 15:43:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: no
23-06-01 15:43:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: my job pays for mine
23-06-01 15:43:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Irony.
23-06-01 15:43:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i got their money out of it the other day
23-06-01 15:44:01: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: 'irony' read the post i linked.
23-06-01 15:44:11: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: the commentary is interesting
23-06-01 15:44:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: since it's not twitter it's not a shitshow train wreck of stupid
23-06-01 15:44:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I mean, ChatGPT is supposed to kill your job, right?  So work paying for it AND you seems redundant. ;)
23-06-01 15:44:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: 'Knowing where to hit the pipe: $99'
23-06-01 15:45:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: *sigh*  I want the tech equivalent of the "King's Advisor" job.
23-06-01 15:45:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: No way.  you're too out of touch
23-06-01 15:46:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: You know, the guy who says "Hey, moron, that's going to fail miserably and lose money for everyone.", and people listen to him becaues he's on the payroll instead of just ranting on social media.
23-06-01 15:46:28: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: how you gonna guide new advancement when you're a curmudgeon?
23-06-01 15:46:38: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: That's only ok if the guy is right
23-06-01 15:46:41: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and a lot of the time he's not
23-06-01 15:46:44: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: esp when that guy is YOU
23-06-01 15:46:49: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: By being a curmudgeon and stopping you from leaping off every cliff you see?
23-06-01 15:47:52: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Discretion and Judgement keep you from doing that
23-06-01 15:47:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I could have saved Square-Enix many millions by stepping in on the NFT debate and saying "No."
23-06-01 15:49:06: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If asked to elaborate, I could have said "No, are you all morons?  Look up snake-oil and pyramid scheme on the internet and let me know how that worked out for most of the salesmen."
23-06-01 15:49:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: And yet, there are other people who are paying stupid money for NFTs because they are released by a certain cult leader.
23-06-01 15:49:31: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: So who is right?
23-06-01 15:49:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Obviously NFT's are scamtastic
23-06-01 15:49:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but we live in an era of lootcrates
23-06-01 15:49:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: DLC
23-06-01 15:50:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Yes, and if you're a cult leader, that's great.  A multi-dollar corporation usually doesn't last very long when run like a cult.  Apple being the exception.
23-06-01 15:50:03: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: everybody wants to monetize and turn into a subscription
23-06-01 15:50:15: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i mean there are shitloads of cult-businesses.
23-06-01 15:50:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: apple is just prominent
23-06-01 15:50:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: Microsoft had the same issues.
23-06-01 15:50:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: FTX is notable for being cultish and recent
23-06-01 15:50:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: cult leader === Trump in my example. ;)
23-06-01 15:51:02: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: mmm is trump the leader of that cult?
23-06-01 15:51:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Squeenix is a company that supposedly makes games.  WHen they focus on making good games, they make lots of money.  Recently, only FFXIV has been doing that.
23-06-01 15:51:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i think there are probably multiple subgroups
23-06-01 15:51:34: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: well Balan Wonderworld or whatever
23-06-01 15:51:37: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: need we say more?
23-06-01 15:51:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: FFXV was allgedly a fantastic game
23-06-01 15:51:57: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: I should try it someday
23-06-01 15:52:21: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Speaking of spending stupid money... I spent stupid money on getting D4... which I'll like rarely play.
23-06-01 15:52:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: none of my friends have played together yet
23-06-01 15:52:53: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: which tempers my enthusiasm
23-06-01 15:52:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: My point is, if I were the King's Advisor for Squeenix, I could say "Look at the financials m'lord.  See this ONE subunit that's making money for us every quarter, and see how everyone else is losing money?  Maybe we should do things more like that one unit is doing them, so we make MORE money!"
23-06-01 15:53:17: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: So the job you are looking for is 'Strategic Consultant'
23-06-01 15:53:19: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Several people from RoP have played in Beta and were excited about it.
23-06-01 15:53:26: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and the firms are McKinsey, Deloitte, BAH, etc.
23-06-01 15:53:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: you are unqualified
23-06-01 15:53:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I played the last open beta for D4, it convinced me to buy it.
23-06-01 15:53:48: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: but if you ent and got an MBA, you could probably swing it
23-06-01 15:54:43: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: It's also nice to see they finally learned and made it fully cross-platform, so PC and console people don't have to pick which group of loser friends they play with.
23-06-01 15:55:36: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: There is ZERO reason why games are not cross platform
23-06-01 15:56:22: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: So if you guys want to show off how much better your builds are in D4, my butter-net id is Quixadhal#1669
23-06-01 15:56:50: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Let me rephrase: There are ZERO reason why games do not support cross-play, assuming they are built for a platform.  There are ZERO reasons why an x-box game cannot be played on Windows.
23-06-01 15:56:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: If you send me a friend invite and mention who you are, I might even accept it.
23-06-01 15:57:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Historically, it's been politics.
23-06-01 15:57:42: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: FFXIV would be on xbox today if Ballmer had not been in charge when it was being made.
23-06-01 15:58:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: They even asked.... but in those days, Microsoft didn't want any Sony taint on their precious xbox-live network, and Sony STILL doesn't really want xbox taint on their precious PSN.
23-06-01 15:58:39: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Blizzard can get away with it because of battle.net.
23-06-01 15:59:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Very interesting 3 part documentary/interview with Yoshi-P about how FFXIV got made, from 1.0 to ARR and whatever expansion was live when it was made.
23-06-01 16:00:47: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I guess people are saying FF-16 looks pretty good, but because of politics, it won't be on the xbox for a very long time.  Sony.
23-06-01 16:01:25: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Any game that is cross platform should also be cross-play.
23-06-01 16:01:51: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Because if it's cross platform, it's a third party game (ie: not MS' or Sony's development studio).
23-06-01 16:02:08: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Bridge that shit or something... think of the gamers!
23-06-01 16:02:29: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Think of the MONEY!
23-06-01 16:03:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: MS finally got it.  It took decades, but they finally figured out that more people == more money, so making things as open as possible is the way to maximize profits.
23-06-01 16:05:46: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: How many of you guys use the start menu with your mouse vs hitting the button and typing?
23-06-01 16:05:55: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: how many of you customize your start menu?
23-06-01 16:06:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: Just start typing, generally.
23-06-01 16:06:30: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: but I do have some pinned on start or taskbar
23-06-01 16:06:35: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i think i do the mouse thing when it's an unfamiliar computer or i dont remember what something was named, but otherwise, i just type.
23-06-01 16:06:40: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: I rarely even remember it IS a menu.  I just hit the windows key and type a bit.
23-06-01 16:07:13: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i don't know that i've ever pinned anything on start
23-06-01 16:07:18: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: anything i would pin there, i pin to task bar
23-06-01 16:08:16: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Heh, if I don't remember what the weird binary is called, I ask google.  "thing that opens blah in windows 10" -- oh yeah, wxblahv.cpl, hit windows key, type wxb
23-06-01 16:08:54: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: easier than trying to wade through a menu tree and hope I can spot it.
23-06-01 16:08:58: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Krem (Rise of Praxis in I3)@Iberia: I prefer to keep my desktop and taskbar uncluttered.  So start is where I have most things pinned.  taskbar have things pinned I use most regularly (windows explorer, chrome).
23-06-01 16:09:04: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: and it's the same workflow across all the platforms
23-06-01 16:09:10: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: instead of dicking with their respective bullshit
23-06-01 16:09:23: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: i can hit the button on every platform and type 'terminal' and get what i want
23-06-01 16:09:24: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Joshua (Dead Souls Dev in I3)@Iberia: or 'chrome'
23-06-01 16:16:12: grapewinebot-gvgossip-gossip: Stupid (WileyMUD in I3)@Iberia: Yeah, I think most people (except Apple users probably) tend to use keyboard shortcuts more often once they're familar with the systems.  Probably why I still use vim, since even cutting and pasting is easily done without the mouse.